Yeah, but you're an amateur fry cook and I come from a long line of fry cooks that don't live past 25.

Buffy ,'Showtime'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Morgana - Apr 03, 2009 4:28:14 pm PDT #1119 of 5827
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

Victor and Sierra are too cute, and Adelle is entirely too smug, so I fear that their attempts here will be an exercise in futility.


sj - Apr 03, 2009 4:39:27 pm PDT #1120 of 5827
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Why did they have to put November is such a dull outfit compared to the other escaping actives?

"Not anymore." I'm kind of loving this episode.


Morgana - Apr 03, 2009 4:59:00 pm PDT #1121 of 5827
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I love their real personalities so much more than this blank doll-ness. I agree with everyone who said that it's hard to get hooked on a show where not only do the characters change each week, but our main characters are practically nonentities.


Juliebird - Apr 03, 2009 5:06:12 pm PDT #1122 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

It's official, Victor and Sierra are my faves.

Really enjoyed the immediate display of distinct personalities when the five wake up. Victor being all military and Echo/Caroline being all anti-animal-testing.

I remember watching/listening to the Equilibrium commentary, and how it was noted that the characters weren't totally blank, even though the incomplete lack of emotion was contrary to the world-building, because the director knew that emotionless characters would be boring to watch for two hours. So, there's that inherent problem with Dollhouse, and yet, with Victor, I totally dig it. Perhaps because the actor doesn't play it as blank, but child-like, and his connection to Sierra doesn't hurt.

And omg, OTP!!! Enver Gjokaj is so an actor to watch out for. I want to smish him in all his states of identity.


Steph L. - Apr 03, 2009 5:21:30 pm PDT #1123 of 5827
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Seriously, why did it take 6 (5?) episodes of crap to get to this? I understand that some world-building/background had to be set up in the early episodes, but they should have gotten to this point WAY earlier in the season.

I know, the network is responsible for things being re-written and slowed down, etc. I get that. It just irks.

I like the show *much* better now. But I'm still not letting Joss off the hook for his skeevy gender issues.

Also? LOVE Victor.


sj - Apr 03, 2009 5:22:55 pm PDT #1124 of 5827
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Victor is definitely my favorite now. I still want to know more about who he was before.


Juliebird - Apr 03, 2009 5:24:17 pm PDT #1125 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Not being a mother, and not being a mother who's child has died, I didn't quite get Mellie/November's finding of her daughters gravesite to qualify as closure. More like old wounds ripped open anew. Same kinda goes for Sierra. She found Vincent Ventresca and confronted him, but didn't take him down, which doesn't seem like closure.

Then again, knowing how to pinpoint "closure" seems laughable, especially when I don't believe in it.

Victor is Love.


Steph L. - Apr 03, 2009 5:25:23 pm PDT #1126 of 5827
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

And I totally don't like Sierra. I can't articulate what exactly it is about her, but I cannot stand her.

Also? I wish they'd stop ending the show with a slow-walk sequence set to Meaningful Music. Ack. Ptui.


sj - Apr 03, 2009 5:28:15 pm PDT #1127 of 5827
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Not being a mother, and not being a mother who's child has died, I didn't quite get Mellie/November's finding of her daughters gravesite to qualify as closure. More like old wounds ripped open anew. Same kinda goes for Sierra. She found Vincent Ventresca and confronted him, but didn't take him down, which doesn't seem like closure.

I was thinking that maybe she went into the dollhouse before she had allowed herself time to mourn properly? I didn't really like November's true personality as much as the others. I loved Sierra.


Juliebird - Apr 03, 2009 5:31:40 pm PDT #1128 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

From TWoP, this articulated what really bugged about Sierra's story:

it's the handling of Sierra's situation that's made me absolutely vomitous. A man wanted her, couldn't have her, sold her, and now not only rapes her but brainwashes her into smiling about it. And the Dollhouse abets. That has added an entirely new and, in my view, unearned layer to the Dollhouse's operations. Sending actives out on sexual assignments with clients was one thing -- passive, in some way, about the motives involved. But it is impossible that, having bought Sierra from this dude, they don't know that this particular relationship is actively AGAINST Sierra's conscious wish.