Victor remembered his real self,
Did they state that explicitly? I didn't see any reason that couldn't have been a bizarre-assed engagement.
I don't remember that at all.
I seem to recall him asking if she broke in okay.
You want to meet the real me now?
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§ ita § - Mar 31, 2009 11:11:29 am PDT #1094 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
victor infante - Mar 31, 2009 11:15:59 am PDT #1095 of 5827
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Did they state that explicitly? I didn't see any reason that couldn't have been a bizarre-assed engagement.
Fair cop. He remembered something else, though, either his real self or a a self he was wearing.
Vortex - Mar 31, 2009 11:28:35 am PDT #1096 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I think that since Echo was remembering Caroline, we were supposed to extrapolate that all of the actives were remembering their real lives. (BTW, I posit that preActiveVictor accidentally killed an innocent person or persons during war, and couldn't live with the guilt, so he accepted the Dollhouse's offer.)
Which is interesting if you consider Mellie. She remembered her encounter with Paul, which makes me wonder if Mellie is her real personality, but one that has been implanted with suggestions. If the person's real personality is the one they want, why not just plant the suggestions of what they need plus the triggers for "treatment" (or assassination as the case may be).
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 31, 2009 11:29:50 am PDT #1097 of 5827
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Although if you're not completely confident you would really be back in five years all the richer, it would be tantamount to suicide.
I would assume that for the most part only people so desperate as to consider suicide a viable alternative would take the Dollhouse's offer in the first place.
Vortex - Mar 31, 2009 11:32:03 am PDT #1098 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Also, I wonder if the people are held against their will ors something. Estelle told Caroline that they'd been doing the dance for two years, so what was the story? Did the DH have her locked up?
§ ita § - Mar 31, 2009 11:32:52 am PDT #1099 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I would assume that for the most part only people so desperate as to consider suicide a viable alternative
That didn't looklike Caroline to me. At the end of her options, sure, but she didn't strike me as the sort that would include suicide as an option.
§ ita § - Mar 31, 2009 11:33:27 am PDT #1100 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Did the DH have her locked up?
Maybe she'd been running that long.
Kevin - Mar 31, 2009 11:48:32 am PDT #1101 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
I just watched the last episode again with a friend. And, well, this time I quite liked it. The writing is often times pretty good - Caroline's friends appeared as actual friends instead of exposition people for example. The production was the problem for me; the wardrobe for Echo, the clearly rough editing, the red pipe. I still think the episode felt a bit weird though, and the squick without dealing with it absolutely bothers me.
megan walker - Mar 31, 2009 12:37:25 pm PDT #1102 of 5827
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
Which is interesting if you consider Mellie. She remembered her encounter with Paul, which makes me wonder if Mellie is her real personality, but one that has been implanted with suggestions. If the person's real personality is the one they want, why not just plant the suggestions of what they need plus the triggers for "treatment" (or assassination as the case may be).
This is what I thought she was, not implanted with a personality, but that she has a fight-girl trigger.
§ ita § - Mar 31, 2009 12:41:30 pm PDT #1103 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But they needed her to do some specific things--do you think they just asked her?