You want to meet the real me now?

Mal ,'War Stories'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 31, 2009 10:18:54 am PDT #1072 of 5827
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Heh. Last year I thought I was going to have my own constantly-up-in-my-business neighbor across the hall, but after about a week and a half of not being able to sleep due to the nearby railroad she moved back out.


Glamcookie - Mar 31, 2009 10:20:29 am PDT #1073 of 5827
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

We thought Mellie/Paul came on fast because of the stuff assy co-worker guy said about Paul having a love on for Caroline. This was his way (uninitentionally, I think) of disproving that theory.


Ailleann - Mar 31, 2009 10:20:36 am PDT #1074 of 5827
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See, but for me the thing is, now we know that all of her behavior is engineered. Of course she was a little clingy and creepy, and obsessed with infiltrating his life and watching him. That's how she's programmed.

I think my big problem here is that I over-identified with the character, and now she's a lie, and I feel let down. My issues, let me show you them.


Burrell - Mar 31, 2009 10:21:05 am PDT #1075 of 5827
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I thought he slept with her to prove to himself he wasn't hung up on Caroline and that Mellie was totally right to call him on it. Wasn't that what I was supposed to think?


Polter-Cow - Mar 31, 2009 10:22:52 am PDT #1076 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm with Burrell.


Vortex - Mar 31, 2009 10:29:44 am PDT #1077 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

See, but for me the thing is, now we know that all of her behavior is engineered. Of course she was a little clingy and creepy, and obsessed with infiltrating his life and watching him. That's how she's programmed.

right, I get her personality, but what I don't get is how she's suddenly in his apartment, eating dinner and hearing the down and dirty details of his case. Or having a key to his apartment. Why is Paul on board? I don't want most of the people I like having a key to my place, much less my across the hall neighbor who has a creepy crush on me.


Polter-Cow - Mar 31, 2009 10:35:16 am PDT #1078 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Here's a question: We like Mellie. But she's not "real," only an imprint of composited personalities.

We have no idea what the original Mellie-shaped person was like.

Would it be cool to just let her live the rest of her life as Mellie? No treatments, no triggers, just be Mellie forever instead of whoever she was before?


victor infante - Mar 31, 2009 10:43:59 am PDT #1079 of 5827
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

The whole Mellie/Paul thing was too fast. It's like she was crush!neighbor with the puppy-dog drool one second, and then she's got a key and cosy take-out?

To be fair, she already had his key -- she was able to get into his apartment to get his medication to bring it to him at work. Obviously, she's been there a good long while -- long enough that Ballard knew the name of the guy she used to date that she broke up with more than a month before. My take is that, at the very least, she was the well-trusted neighbor, even if (on some level) he knew she was hung up on him. The one he left the spare key with in case of emergency, and who talked to him every day and was constantly trying to feed him.

She hadn't been a stranger to him in a long time, and in a lot of ways, even in the first episode, it was clear that, at the very least, he was fond. And hell, Ballard's so deep into his job that she was probably the closest thing he had to a friend at all.

Of course she was a little clingy and creepy, and obsessed with infiltrating his life and watching him. That's how she's programmed.

The other side of which is, if she was programmed that way, she was programmed in such a way because Ballard would respond to it. And really, he was desperate for someone to talk about the whole Dollhouse mess with. He needed to open up, and desperate to believe that he wasn't obsessed with Caroline, and there she was. It happened fast because she was totally conditioned to bypass his defenses.


victor infante - Mar 31, 2009 10:45:39 am PDT #1080 of 5827
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Serial:

Would it be cool to just let her live the rest of her life as Mellie? No treatments, no triggers, just be Mellie forever instead of whoever she was before?

Jsut because we don't know who she really is, doesn't mean it would be right to leave her as someone we do like. For all we know, Mellie was chosen becuase she's remarkably similar to what they needed.


Strix - Mar 31, 2009 10:45:42 am PDT #1081 of 5827
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I'm going to say no. Free will, baby; we don't know what "Mellie's" life was like beforehand -- but even if we did, who are "we" to say that this is what is better/worse, whatev.

Even if her life was worse, it's her choice. People get to choose. They can choose crap, they can choose splendor, but there's gotta be some choice about it. That's kinda what the foundation of the show is, right:

What is choice? Can you choose not to choose? Did the Dolls know what they were choosing and choose anyway? Or like Echo, was the choice forced, and then the ability to choose further stripped from you?

To decide for someone else, even if it were an altruistic choice of "This is so much better than what you had before" -- nope. That's slavery. That's death of free will.