Eliza may be entirely healthy and Miracle may not--I don't think that's a comparison we have information to make.
Can we maybe vote on the whole murdering people issue?
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§ ita § - Mar 30, 2009 11:13:42 am PDT #1050 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Ailleann - Mar 30, 2009 11:22:06 am PDT #1051 of 5827
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I think my problem is up until she was triggered Mellie was, though perhaps a little broadly drawn and/or overdone, a fully-formed character with strengths and flaws and a sense of authentic humanity. She was, really, the only character we've met so far who wasn't deeply broken (all the Actives, most of the clients, I suspect Bennett) or under the Dollhouse's thumb (Boyd, Topher, possibly some of the other Dollhouse employees).
And then they triggered her, and made that whole personality a lie, and made Mellie into just another victim.
megan walker - Mar 30, 2009 1:05:12 pm PDT #1052 of 5827
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
I hate that Mellie is an doll. I want to wonder who might be a doll, not think that everyone is.
aurelia - Mar 30, 2009 1:11:59 pm PDT #1053 of 5827
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Her name is Miracle? Huh.
aurelia - Mar 30, 2009 1:31:46 pm PDT #1054 of 5827
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Ooh, and interesting that she was originally playing a different character.
Everyone else has probably already read that post.
victor infante - Mar 30, 2009 1:37:46 pm PDT #1055 of 5827
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
Ooh, and interesting that she was originally playing a different character.
They said this about Victor, too. I think Joss was just covering up the fact that Mellie and Victor were actives.
Kevin - Mar 30, 2009 2:07:55 pm PDT #1056 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Miracle was originally cast and announced as "November" on Whedonesque by Joss. Same with Enver for "Victor". After the original pilot got thrown out and many things were saved as reveals for later on, Joss tried lying to cover up those were Actives. Didn't really work for most people, but hey, gotta give it a shot.
Miracle emailed me last night asking if I was enjoying Dollhouse. I may have lied slightly in response.
erikaj - Mar 30, 2009 2:23:49 pm PDT #1057 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!
Funny that she's doll. I thought she was just boring. The character, not the actress.
Kalshane - Mar 30, 2009 6:00:21 pm PDT #1058 of 5827
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
Oh, going back to the "the drug seemed to affecting people differently" thing, I thought they'd established that with Topher in the open. He had his little speech about how everyone's body chemistry is different, and if three people try heroin for the first time, one might hate it, one might love it and the third might just keel over.
Which could be them just waving their hands frantically to cover the fact that Adelle and Topher needed to remain at least somewhat competent for the sake of the plot.
Strix - Mar 31, 2009 5:34:51 am PDT #1059 of 5827
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger
She was, really, the only character we've met so far who wasn't deeply broken (all the Actives, most of the clients, I suspect Bennett) or under the Dollhouse's thumb (Boyd, Topher, possibly some of the other Dollhouse employees).
And then they triggered her, and made that whole personality a lie, and made Mellie into just another victim.
See, I never saw Mellie, as anything but broken, from the get-go. Didn't matter if she was a Doll or human. But I think that's one of the premises of the show: that EVERYONE is broken in some ways, and the show is just exploring different aspects if it -- (a) how people hide, deal and/or contribute to their own brokenness, and (b) how or why other people contribute to or assist in healing other people's brokenness.
All of the characters are flawed, because all people are flawed. Like Buffy was examining the trope of the "girl victim" and turning it around, DH is examining that trope from a different metaphoric angle.