Gunn: Well, how horrible is this thing? Lorne: I haven't read the Book of Revelations lately, but if I was searching for adjectives, I'd probably start there.

'Hell Bound'


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Jessica - Jul 14, 2010 9:10:37 am PDT #9820 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think it's certainly possible to deal with the gender issues in TotS, but it's rare that it's done successfully. In too many cases, productions "fix" the last scene but play the rest of the script straight, as if making Kate's final speech sarcastic makes up for the fact that Petruchio's just spent the last 2 hours being more or less psychotically abusive.


§ ita § - Jul 14, 2010 9:20:11 am PDT #9821 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'd have liked Mr. and Mrs. Smith better with a different Mrs. Smith. She's not someone I see in a fistfight with Brad Pitt. But Brad? I don't think I've liked him more. He cracked me right up. And, weirdly, one of my krav teachers was in it, and I recognised him under all his SWAT gear. Which isn't creepy, honest. He just moves like him.


erikaj - Jul 14, 2010 10:03:34 am PDT #9822 of 30000
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

What about all the Apatow bro-movies like "I Love You, Man(which I really liked, btw.) Rom-com or just coms. "Object of My Affection"...I think it's sort of a romcom and sort of a dramedy.


DavidS - Jul 14, 2010 10:05:05 am PDT #9823 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Oh, I thought of two rom-coms I liked which are generally overlooked.

Only You with Marisa Tomei, RDJ and all of Italy.

Also Housesitter with Steve Martin and Goldie Hawn where she plays a very smart cookie instead of a ditz and does it very well.


Sean K - Jul 14, 2010 10:28:39 am PDT #9824 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I think it's certainly possible to deal with the gender issues in TotS, but it's rare that it's done successfully. In too many cases, productions "fix" the last scene but play the rest of the script straight, as if making Kate's final speech sarcastic makes up for the fact that Petruchio's just spent the last 2 hours being more or less psychotically abusive.

Both of the good productions of Shrew were because of the top notch performances of the actors playing the leads, and not due to any modification of the text, or a sarcastic last speech delivery. It's part of why they stood out as performances.

I agree that it's rare and difficult to pull off, but in my experience it's rare and difficult to pull off a really good production The Glass Menagerie. Good theater is difficult to do well.

But you'll never get me to agree that it's impossible to be both faithful to Shakespeare's text and deliver a good, sympathetic, enjoyable performance of the piece, because I've seen it happen twice.


Sean K - Jul 14, 2010 10:36:52 am PDT #9825 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Only You with Marisa Tomei, RDJ and all of Italy.

Speaking of Marisa Tomei, My Cousin Vinnie kind of counts as a rom com, doesn't it? I love that one.

I also tend to think of Fight Club as kind of a rom com, and my adoration of that film knows no bounds.

I think I used to like rom coms more. I also used to like sitcoms, and don't generally watch them any more. I don't know if it's because my tastes have changed, or the quality of rom coms and sitcoms has degraded. Or just failed to keep up with my sensibilities.


Jessica - Jul 14, 2010 10:56:48 am PDT #9826 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I don't think I've ever seen a really good production of TotS that wasn't wrapped inside a production of Kiss Me, Kate.


Fred Pete - Jul 14, 2010 10:58:29 am PDT #9827 of 30000
Ann, that's a ferret.

There's My Best Friend's Wedding. Which I loved the first time I saw it, but not so much the second time. It took two viewings to realize how unlikeable the three sides of the main triangle are. But the luncheon scene alone -- okay, the rendition of "I Say a Little Prayer" alone -- is worth the price of admission. (And Rupert Everett steals the movie, although you have to wonder about his character's motivation at times.)


Vonnie K - Jul 14, 2010 11:02:50 am PDT #9828 of 30000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I quite like My Best Friend's Wedding, mostly because it doesn't end with a neat little bow. The characters are super-flawed (actually, the Cameron Diaz character, despite being "other other woman", fares the best, I think) and the movie is aware of that.

Another recent rom-com without the requisite happy ending: (500) Days of Summer. It slipped my mind, but I loved that one.


§ ita § - Jul 14, 2010 11:03:22 am PDT #9829 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

OMG, I hate My Best Friend's Wedding. First off, don't fall in love with your best friend. Well, okay, do, if you want. But I want more male/female platonic friendships in fiction. Secondly, what was the man worth those women ruining themselves for? OH GOD, HATE.

eta: Oh! I loved (500) Days of Summer. Cutest little thing, and I don't even think I like Zooey Deschanel.