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Buffista Movies 7: Brides for 7 Samurai  

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Polter-Cow - Jun 30, 2010 8:08:40 am PDT #9414 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Well, the real problem with Dev Patel being cast as Zuko is that he'd make a way better Sokka. But I do think it's cool for an Indian guy to play an important character with a great dramatic arc. The fact that it makes everyone around him brown is an unfortunate consequence. And of course it wouldn't be so bad if the protagonists hadn't been cast as white instead of Asian.

I don't know, I can sort of see both sides of the argument, which is usually the case.

In the span of the first movie, Zuko does become, at the least, a sympathetic villain, in contrast to Zhao. It'd be the second movie where he really starts to grow.


§ ita § - Jun 30, 2010 8:13:23 am PDT #9415 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I also recall MNS saying that casting Dev was a win for the race-blind casting, since the character was not Indian in the cartoons. But he's still browned up the baddies...I just don't get his point of view. I understand that there are fans that don't care and won't care, but he said his kids loved the cartoon because they saw themselves in it, and he passed on the chance to translate that to a massive audience.

And all the casting sides and tales of the calls are just horrendous. What a clusterfuck.


Laga - Jun 30, 2010 9:00:36 am PDT #9416 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I've read a few early reviews. It sounds like Airbender isn't worth watching. oh dear- Ebert gave it half a star.

Little Aang reminds me of Wallace Shawn as a child. This is not a bad thing (he should only grow into Shawn's shoes), but doesn't the role require little Aang, not little Wally?


Volans - Jun 30, 2010 9:15:14 am PDT #9417 of 30000
move out and draw fire

Well crap. I was hoping that despite everything it would be watchable.

So I can see where M. Night is coming from in saying that Zuko is the real hero/star

I can too, but that doesn't make his choices any better. Either he cast someone from his own race as the pivotal character, and cast the other characters Default White, or he cast the bad guy of 2.5 movies brown.

Is Iroh Indian?

What if he'd made the other Fire Nation people white, or random races?

Well, the real problem with Dev Patel being cast as Zuko is that he'd make a way better Sokka.

Oh man! You are so right.

Mal's been checking out the photos of the actors on his McDonald's stuff, and had a bit of a hurdle accepting that those kids were Aang and Katara. He's still really dubious about Sokka.


Polter-Cow - Jun 30, 2010 9:25:21 am PDT #9418 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Is Iroh Indian?

Yeah, the whole Fire Nation is Indian.

Oh man! You are so right.

I think it was a friend of mine who said that, and as soon as she said it, I couldn't not think it. He'd be perfect.


amych - Jun 30, 2010 9:42:24 am PDT #9419 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

the whole Fire Nation is Indian.

And Persian and Maori. They're the only and exclusively not-white Nation.


Polter-Cow - Jun 30, 2010 9:48:22 am PDT #9420 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Despite being the lightest-colored characters in the cartoon.


§ ita § - Jun 30, 2010 10:01:48 am PDT #9421 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Liveblogging Eclipse. I haven't worked out how this isn't irritating for the other people in the theatre.


JZ - Jun 30, 2010 10:11:44 am PDT #9422 of 30000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

oh dear- Ebert gave it half a star.

Wow, that was brutal. And I'm mildly surprised that apparently he's seen the show and knows it reasonably well--he doesn't mention the racebending, but he does hammer on the gorgeous look of the animation and the influence of Miyazaki and just how thoroughly the film's visuals have failed to draw anything worthwhile from all that juicy lovely precedent.


§ ita § - Jun 30, 2010 10:14:50 am PDT #9423 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He does mention the racebending, JZ. There's a whole paragraph on it:

His first inexplicable mistake was to change the races of the leading characters