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DavidS - Apr 10, 2010 11:00:03 am PDT #7509 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

So I just caught the end of L.A. Confidential on cable, and it's been on my mind lately because I listened to the audiobook version on the way down to LA last week. (Read by David Straitharn, who was, as you would expect, awesome.)

After hearing the book I knew it differed substantially from the movie so I went to wikipedia to track the difference. But that only increased the level of complexity because apparently the audiobook was abridged. Sheesh.

On the bus tour I mentioned to somebody I'd just listened to the book and they asked about the "Rolo Tomasi" part, and I had to tell them it wasn't even in the book. And Wikipedia confirms that it wasn't included in the unabridged book either.

Reading the wikipedia entry really made me appreciate what a fantastic job Hanson and Helgeland did on the script. They were really true to the characters but compressed and extracted a much leaner (though still quite complex) plot. I think it's actually superior to the book, in most respects.

Some interesting tidbits about the production gleaned from the wiki entry:

To give his cast and crew points and counterpoints to capture L.A. in the 1950s, he held a "mini-film festival", showing one film a week: The Bad and the Beautiful because it epitomized the glamorous Hollywood look; In a Lonely Place, because it showed the ugly side of Hollywood glamor; Don Siegel's The Lineup and Private Hell 36, "for their lean and efficient style";[5] and Kiss Me Deadly, because it was "so rooted in the futuristic 50s: the atomic age".[2][5] Hanson and the film's cinematographer Dante Spinotti agreed that the film would be shot widescreen and watched two Cinemascope films from the period: Douglas Sirk's The Tarnished Angels and Vincente Minnelli's Some Came Running.

Before filming took place, Hanson brought Crowe and Pearce to L.A. for two months to immerse them in the city and the time period.[7] He also got them dialect coaches, showed them vintage police training films and had them meet real cops.[7] Pearce found the contemporary police force had changed too much to be useful research material and disliked the police officer he rode around with because he was racist.[8] The actor found the police films more valuable "because there was a real sort of stiffness, a woodenness about these people" that he felt Exley had as well.[7] Crowe studied Sterling Hayden in Stanley Kubrick's crime film, The Killing "for that beefy manliness that came out of World War II."[5] For six weeks, Crowe, Pearce, Hanson and Helgeland conducted rehearsals, which consisted of their discussing each scene in the script.[9] As other actors were cast they would join in.[5]


Frankenbuddha - Apr 10, 2010 12:08:31 pm PDT #7510 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

They were really true to the characters but compressed and extracted a much leaner (though still quite complex) plot. I think it's actually superior to the book, in most respects.

The only quibble I might have is that the ending shootout is a little too Hollywood. But Bud White surviving was always part of it, so THAT part I don't have a problem with.

However, I know Ellroy was setting up Exley for a continued career in other books, so I'm not sure how that may play into to everything vs. what they did in the movie.

I do agree with you in that I liked most of changes between book and film. It's just Ellroy was setting up a bigger canvas. The movie DEFINITELY made better use of Spacey's character, even though he died earlier in the course of things.


erikaj - Apr 10, 2010 2:04:13 pm PDT #7511 of 30000
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

The worst audio-abridgement I ever heard of was when somebody told me they cut LaTonya Wallace(Adena Watson) from the Year On the Killing Streets audiobook. Is it weird that I have a crush on Straithairn since I watched him play Murrow? Well, I guess I have a crush on Keith Olbermann and I've watched him play Murrow for years.


Glamcookie - Apr 10, 2010 3:58:55 pm PDT #7512 of 30000
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Reading the wikipedia entry really made me appreciate what a fantastic job Hanson and Helgeland did on the script.

Seriously. DId that script win the Oscar that year? Because it totally should have.

ETA: It did!

Best Writing, Screenplay Based on Material from Another Medium
Brian Helgeland
Curtis Hanson


Fiona - Apr 10, 2010 10:49:07 pm PDT #7513 of 30000

The script and Kim Basinger were, I think, the only things that did win Oscars. It was Titanic's year.

I'm still bitter.


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 11, 2010 12:56:33 pm PDT #7514 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Just back from Hot Tub Time Machine. It was intensely stupid, but also hilarious, as one would expect from the title. Did we know Christophe Beck was scoring this?


Daisy Jane - Apr 11, 2010 1:08:33 pm PDT #7515 of 30000
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Has anyone here seen The Class? It was one of our movies this week. I absolutely loved it.

Also saw The Appeared and The Soloist. Both were ok, however one got better, the other...did not. I will leave you to ponder which is which.


megan walker - Apr 11, 2010 1:17:36 pm PDT #7516 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Has anyone here seen The Class?

Is it French ?


javachik - Apr 11, 2010 1:19:08 pm PDT #7517 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

It is French and it is divine.


Daisy Jane - Apr 11, 2010 1:37:10 pm PDT #7518 of 30000
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

What java said.