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Buffista Movies 7: Brides for 7 Samurai  

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megan walker - Feb 24, 2010 3:46:38 pm PST #6928 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Juliebird, that the type of question I wasn't sure about reading the book, that is, since he is basically imagining the whole scenario, how much of what you have read/seen over the course of the story is true.


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2010 3:57:38 pm PST #6929 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Chris Pine really is a good looking dude, isn't he?

He's no Zach Quinto.


Aims - Feb 24, 2010 4:04:09 pm PST #6930 of 30000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Finally! A dude we don't agree on!! No fighting over agreeing that you get the hot dude we both like


Juliebird - Feb 24, 2010 4:12:13 pm PST #6931 of 30000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

megan, I wonder because everything else George says seems to come from the perspective of reality, rather than roleplaying. I mean, maybe it was a mix of both, but there's the fact that many of the players were knowingly playing a role in order to enable the delusion. And here's this guy trying to tell him the truth.

I had heard the book was a lot more ambiguous than the movie, and I feel pretty comfortable with what I think I know in the movie. Except this one part.


megan walker - Feb 24, 2010 4:22:10 pm PST #6932 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Well, in the book, George says that the fact that he was beaten up was Leo's fault. Leo assumes this is indirectly his fault based on his earlier investigation landing George in the asylum again, but actually he physically beat him up as a fellow inmate.


Sean K - Feb 24, 2010 4:27:45 pm PST #6933 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I spent the first half of the movie why Jessica didn't like it,

The dialogue. Clunky doesn't even begin to describe it.

Oh yeah, totally. It's just that the first half of the movie has a lot less dialog, and the dialog that is there is a lot less clunky by virtue of not containing the awful exposition. But yes, when the credits rolled, I found myself not liking the movie much, and thinking it could have been vastly improved by removing every last bit of dialog.


billytea - Feb 24, 2010 4:30:05 pm PST #6934 of 30000
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

But yes, when the credits rolled, I found myself not liking the movie much, and thinking it could have been vastly improved by removing every last bit of dialog.

And adding a jaunty piano soundtrack!


Juliebird - Feb 24, 2010 4:40:58 pm PST #6935 of 30000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

That tracks in the movie, quite clearly, but it's the story that Teddy told about how George had committed a crime, landed in jail, then escaped and that's how Teddy found out about the experiments

coupled with the story that George then tells about how he got out once and now he's back because of Teddy. That could be part of a truth that Teddy did indeed run into George on the outside. Or could he possibly mean that he got out of ward C, rather than the island itself?


askye - Feb 24, 2010 4:42:14 pm PST #6936 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

I read the book of Shutter Island.

Or well, I started reading it, guessed where it was going, skipped to the end, found I was right and stopped reading.

It was like the author heard about this kind of storytelling and then wrote the book without really understanding what makes that type of thing work.


Juliebird - Feb 24, 2010 4:52:16 pm PST #6937 of 30000
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Don't know about the book, but reflecting back on the movie, there's tons of moments that take on a new perspective, and not in a "neat, but whatev!" ways but in an emotional, character-based way.

Like how in the beginning when the warden is seemingly expositing in an annoying way about the new fangled methods and the doctor is talking about his methods, when really they are trying to impress upon Leo how much they care and how they are trying to avoid the attitude that Teddy has towards the prisoners/patients.

I figured it out the end, but the journey was hauntingly beautiful and reaching the end just enriched that journey in reflection.