Talk to Her might have been narratively interesting, but the main character is presented as sympathetic and I just can't accept that. At all.
My favorite PA movie will always be Women on the Verge.
Jayne: Yeah, that was some pretty risky sittin' you did there. Wash: That's right, of course, 'cause they wouldn't arrest me if we got boarded, I'm just the pilot. I can always say I was flying the ship by accident.
'Serenity'
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javachik - Dec 04, 2009 7:34:29 am PST #5317 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.
Frankenbuddha - Dec 04, 2009 7:40:58 am PST #5318 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Unfortunately, rape seems to be a thing with Almodovar (e.g. Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down!, Kika)
DavidS - Dec 04, 2009 7:42:43 am PST #5319 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I really like very early Almodovar like Labyrinth of Desire.
Granny O'Grimm was fantastic. I wonder what Granny Radio will sound like. That moppet girl in the bed looked a whole lot like Matilda.
Jessica - Dec 04, 2009 7:45:29 am PST #5320 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Talk to Her might have been narratively interesting, but the main character is presented as sympathetic
I disagree. He's presented as an object of pity rather than of hate, but I don't think that's the same thing - the emotion we're supposed to feel is disgust, not sympathy.
javachik - Dec 04, 2009 7:49:25 am PST #5321 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.
We might interpret it differently. I know there was a ton of debate about the movie at the time. I didn't read any of it before I saw it (I never read critiques until after I've seen a film) and walked out feeling really creeped out all on my own.
ETA: just read your edit. I think part of my problem was that the posters and the other adverts I'd seen, and the tone of the movie, presented it as a love story.
erikaj - Dec 04, 2009 7:51:09 am PST #5322 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!
I have learned my lesson and never read AV Club comments...too much hipper-than-thou makes me "Hulk Smash" Although probably not among Ron Burgundy defenders.
Polter-Cow - Dec 04, 2009 7:54:23 am PST #5323 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I disagree. He's presented as an object of pity rather than of hate, but I don't think that's the same thing - the emotion we're supposed to feel is disgust, not sympathy.
Yeah, it's been a while since I saw it, but I do remember finding the whole thing totally creepy and fucked-up. And I think I was supposed to.
javachik - Dec 04, 2009 7:57:08 am PST #5324 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.
And I think I was supposed to.
Hmmmmm. I won't rewatch the movie, but it's interesting that you guys felt like you were supposed to be creeped out. The audience I saw it with walked out oooohing and aaaaaahing about how in love the guy had been, and how he was just "so misunderstood". YAMV?
Jessica - Dec 04, 2009 7:57:50 am PST #5325 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
I think part of my problem was that the posters and the other adverts I'd seen, and the tone of the movie, presented it as a love story.
To me, that's why it's effective. So much of the movie is told from the main character's POV, and in his own head it is a love story. I think telling the same story from an omniscient 3rd person POV would have lessened the emotional impact of the friend character finally realizing what's really been going on.
javachik - Dec 04, 2009 8:00:01 am PST #5326 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.
I think telling the same story from an omniscient 3rd person POV would have lessened the emotional impact of the friend character finally realizing what's really been going on.
I can see that. I don't think it was a poorly made film. It just didn't work that way for me.