P-C, I missed that or wasn't paying much attention at that point. The 3-D was making me kind of anxious. I should probably see it again without the 3-D.

I saw it in 2D. Anyone else see it in 3D, who generally likes 3D?

I did not catch this reference but I was wondering why Veronica was called Veronica and HA.

I saw it in 3D. It was fine: didn't really add to the experience, but I didn't find it to be badly done.

I knew it had to be an Archie reference, but I didn't put it in context with Betty (Ross) and Veronica. Other than to wonder why they were setting up a romance between Bruce and Natasha, because Betty! Where the heck was Betty? I'm not up enough on the Hulk backstory to know what happened with the two of them.

I think the last we saw of Betty was in The Incredible Hulk, when Bruce just up and left her, similar to what he does to Natasha here. I don't think she's been referenced at all in the MCU since then, though??

So last night's SNL had the whole Black Widow trailer of pointed hilarity, and I made the natural error if reading the comments by defensive fans on io9, and all I could think for many of them was, Oh, honey, you so clearly have not seen AoU yet.

Thanks for the link, P-C. I had wondered.

But it did feel like it ignored every Marvel movie that had been released in the wake of Avengers.

After Iron Man 3 and Tony saying "Don't leave me, buddy," I think he should have been a touch more upset at Jarvis being mostly killed. And where the hell was Dummy!

I would have been a lot happier if it had been an all-purpose villain instead of something of Tony's that got away. An Avengers story is supposed to be about the team working together, not being so pissed at each other.

Ultron just seems to come out of nowhere, and it's a cliché type of the robots will turn on us and destroy us all thing. With the whole yes, humans are flawed but glorious speech. We were getting that speech from Original Series Kirk in the 60s.

See also, "Blurred Lines" and "Baby, It's Cold Outside," both of which I love even though they're creepy and rapey.

The latter stopped seeming creepy to me after finding out Loesser wrote it for his wife, she considered it "their song," they first performed it together, and while the roles have traditionally been sung with the woman in the ostensibly protesting role there is nothing that actually specifies which is which.

Tony's line in the movie didn't particularly bother me, but then I regard him as a spoiled little boy in a 40-year-old billionaire's body so it seemed pretty much in character. If Steve or Bruce say something similar, I'll be outraged.

Ultron's overpowering smugness and murderous hatred of Stark and humanity in general seemed very poorly explained to me; I assume the Mind Stone pulled those negative personality traits out of Tony and Bruce in the process of creating the new sentience, but it takes a lot of handwaving. And on a purely shallow note, having Ultron's mouth reshape itself as he spoke looked really weird.

I think it would have gotten weirder if Ultron's mouth had never moved. But I noticed that too.