Plei, on Tony Stark's line, I mostly thought, "Oh, gross and uncool, man." Because Joss is SO not the feminist he thinks he is/claims to be/is lauded as by some of his fans.

I really glossed right over everything having to do with Natasha's disclosure of her forced sterilization/being a "monster," which is one more reason I need to see it again.

I think it was not the greatest idea to see the movie when I was exhausted and stressed from travel and stressed from finding out I'm losing one of my clients and stressed from the prospect of a day of meetings the following day and stressed from the social anxiety of hanging out with Buffistas, even though they're people who I adore (and make no mistake, getting to see AoU with shrift and tommyrot was most excellent). Because I think I missed a LOT. Everyone is talking about how Wanda came off WAY better than people had thought she might, but Wanda left NO impression on me, TBH. (Pietro annoyed me.)

I need to see it again with a clear(er) head and sitting WAY further back in the theater.

I feel traitorous to say this, but I think at least HALF of the Science Bros stuff (which was TOTAL fanservice) could have been cut in the interest of time/better backstory for other characters.

I spent the whole movie looking for things to be angry about, thanks to vague Internet reactions, so MAYBE my thorough enjoyment of the movie was partly defensive, but I really liked it. I was pretty much in from the awesome opening scene where CAP FLIPPED A MOTORCYCLE AT HYDRA, and I liked that, unlike the first movie, it didn't have to spend all that time getting the team together: it gets going and doesn't stop moving. And I loved watching them fight as a team, with their own special combos. I thought there was great character work for most of the team, though Cap and Thor didn't get a whole lot (in the first movie, everyone had a real arc), and I was surprised by how much I cared about the Maximoffs by the end (especially Wanda).

I agree with some of the criticisms, but overall I am pro-this movie.

It's interesting to me that so many people were so bothered by Natasha saying she's also a monster, because I didn't get any sense that it was directly tied to her sterilization. It was her acknowledging that she was shaped as a person by a horribly fucked-up program.

I mean, if you've seen Agent Carter, I think about Dottie snapping the neck of her friend, and being taught to do that without question.

Dana, I am positive that this was the intended read of that scene, but I absolutely understand why people are reading it the other way. It was exactly how I took it initially until my brain said THAT CANNOT BE WHAT THEY ARE SAYING and rejiggered.

Except that if you look at the context of what they're talking about, the point in the conversation and explanation when she says it, the motivation given by the Red Room for the forced sterilization (again, not done that way in the comics), and her vision being of trying to intentionally fail the tests to avoid the graduation ceremony, it's a hard reading to avoid. Like I said on Tumblr, there were ways to write it that wouldn't have that effect, but those were not the ways in which it was written.

It was a very poorly written scene.

"Sorry To Disappoint, But I Actually Really Loved Avengers: Age of Ultron" is a perfect headline for a review.

but I absolutely understand why people are reading it the other way.

Yeah, I meant to say that, but apparently I forgot.

Well, and that's just it; even if we find something problematic, it doesn't have to overwhelm the rest of how we feel about the entire work.

I gave the movie pretty high reviews, because it kept me engaged and didn't make me feel like it was a 2-1/2 hour movie. I didn't cotton to Wanda and Pietro at first, but once it was put in the context of people will do anything to save their country/family in a time of war, as Steve so correctly pointed out, it made sense for their choice and I started liking them better. By the end of the movie the scene of Pietro dying to save Hawekeye and the little boy left me completely in tears. I think that is some pretty stellar writing, problematic writing in places or not.

To be clear, I didn't hate it. I found it to be uneven, and only connected with it emotionally for a couple of things OMG SHEILD TECH I LOVE YOU!!!! HEARTEYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! which means I watched the whole thing through my analytical lens instead of my squee and whee lens.

Did I mention my Shallow Feelings here? I had a few. you know, that was a dimly lit and disappointing bit of Wet Thor there, and Hemsworth's not even my flavor of beefcake. Also, HOLY CRAP, FARMHOUSE NICK FURY HOW ARE YOU SO HOT IN THAT GREY THING AND WOW, YES PLEASE. There was a sad lack of totally gratuitous and lovingly-framed shots of Chris Evans' ass. After Avengers and CA:TWS, this makes me very sad. I mean, that scene in CA:TWS where Steve's confronting Nick, and you can't really focus on Nick's face while he's talking, because the stealth suit clad buttcheeks of freedom are right there in the frame? Come on, that little thing is a national treasure, so show it some love. Also, Scarlett really looked radiant. She's a very glowy pregnant person.