Oh, smacked in the noggin with a 2x4 wrapped in velvet. Yeah, that's what it felt like.

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Miracleman - Mar 07, 2009 9:35:05 am PST #278 of 30000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Speaking of splatters

Heh. It's LJ all over again...

I was just looking at the graphic novel again and when Manhattan asplodes Rorschach there's a great deal of blood spattered all over. When Manhattan invades Moloch's vice den ("The morality of my activities escapes me.") he's blowing a guy's head up and while there's no big ol' splattery splatter of splattery blood, there's the implication that there will be a headless corpse quietly spurting in the corner as Manhattan walks on.

The movie went overboard with that, though, what with the limbs hanging from the ceiling and shit. I was all "What the...Jesus, Doc, fucking pick up after yourself! Were you disintegrated and reintegrated in a fucking barn?!"

HOWEVER, I agree with you, Jess. It always seemed to me that, for the most part Doc Manhattan's "You die now" (and I'm stealing that, by the way) was...cleaner. And, this is a "just me" thing, but it always felt to me that when he blows up Rorschach real good the bloody effect was on purpose on Manhattan's part...a strange tribute in a strange way, a way of saying to Rorschach "You deserve to have a mark left behind, some evidence that you were alive and human and not just a...thing...that I can unmake and disregard.

But I may be reading a LOT into that there.


Amy - Mar 07, 2009 9:36:53 am PST #279 of 30000
Because books.

hey, maybe the book really is unfilmable

I keep hearing that. Anyone want to chime in on why so many have thought so (without, you know, spoiling)? Is it length, complexity, nature of the characters, or what?

I'm still going to try to be a test subject for those who see the movie without having read the novel, hopefully this week.

Also, did anyone see Blindness? Wow, talk about grim. And ... weirdly good and bad.


Miracleman - Mar 07, 2009 9:39:43 am PST #280 of 30000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Is it length, complexity, nature of the characters, or what?

Yes.

It really is a very lengthy, complex book with complex characters of difficult natures.

But I have to agree with one of Ethan's reviews: I don't think it's unfilmable. I have NO IDEA how *I* would do it (except as a very expensive twelve-part miniseries on, like, HBO or Showtime or something), but I think it can be done. I just don't think Zack Snyder was the guy to do it perfectly. He did okay. I guess. But it wasn't as OMGWTFBBQ as graphic novel fans and non-fans alike were expecting, I think.


Amy - Mar 07, 2009 9:42:11 am PST #281 of 30000
Because books.

Ah. There are books like that.

Still can't wait to see it. And it's not (completely) about how much I love Jeffrey Dean Morgan, or how interested I am to see pendulous sapphire wang.


Jessica - Mar 07, 2009 9:44:23 am PST #282 of 30000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Were you disintegrated and reintegrated in a fucking barn?!

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Also, I'm not posting anything else without checking the book first, because this is just getting embarrassing.

However, I think the main point is on all of these - and I think we do agree here - that the letter may have been right, but the spirit was wrong. And in my case, the spirit struck me so wrongly that the I (repeatedly) wasn't able to acknowledge the rightness of the letter until it was pointed out to me.

In short, I R CURMUDGEON KITTEH.


Volans - Mar 07, 2009 9:44:24 am PST #283 of 30000
move out and draw fire

except as a very expensive twelve-part miniseries on, like, HBO or Showtime or something

This would be ideal.


Jessica - Mar 07, 2009 9:46:45 am PST #284 of 30000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

They kind of tried that with Dune. It wasn't pretty.


Miracleman - Mar 07, 2009 9:48:31 am PST #285 of 30000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Jessica, we totally agree on that point. If you R CURMUDGEON KITTEH, then I am SLIGHTLY GRUMPY BASSET HOUND right next to you.

Don't get me wrong, folks, I didn't hate the movie. I wasn't sorely disappointed, but I was mildly disappointed. I just run up against the "Okay, but what would you do then, hotshot? Huh? What?" and I can only answer "Give me a quajillion dollars and a lot of time and I'll show you. But I need the quajillion dollars first."


Sean K - Mar 07, 2009 9:50:33 am PST #286 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Well, the book really is akin to a meaty novel. And films do much better with novellas or short stories, as the structure is much simpler. Even at three hours, there's only so much story you can tell in a film. Blade Runner is an excellent film that tells a very different story from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (though I would be curious to see a more faithful adaptation of DADoES). Same with Fight Club. Both films keep only a small handful of key elements from their respective source materials, and wind up keeping the right themes and ideas. They essentially tell the same story by telling a completely different one.


Jessica - Mar 07, 2009 9:53:02 am PST #287 of 30000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

They essentially tell the same story by telling a completely different one.

I would put V For Vendetta in this category too.