I don't think Odin can be dead, because Heimdall has the ability to see everything/everyone. The only person he can't see is Loki (disguised as Odin or not), so Odin must be around somewhere. Maybe taking a leak and Loki took advantage of it.

My guess is that Odin is imprisoned somewhere, and that this situation will be a large part of the plot of Thor 3. Maybe he has found a way to dull Heimdall's sense of where Odin is?

Well, Heimdall could be imprisoned, too. Because I don't remember seeing him after the scene where he tells Odin "I committed treason." I assumed that Odin imprisoned him, which Loki would be wise to continue; that way even if Heimdall can see what shenanigans are afoot with Odin, it's not like he can tell anyone about it.

But yeah, like I said above, killing Odin, or anything major with Odin would never happen offscreen. It's too huge.

But Steph do you really think that Thor would leave knowing one of his friends is in prison for helping him?

Maybe he didn't know. The movie was a little fuzzy about the fate of Heimdall and Odin.

I thought that was explicitly part of the plan -- what they were doing was treason, everyone agreed.

Yeah, that was clear; it was just never shown what happened to Heimdall after he said to Odin, "Hey, I committed treason." I assume imprisonment, but since it wasn't clearly shown, I just wonder.

Oh sure, you didn't see it -- I just wouldn't be surprised.

Luckily, I'm seeing it again tomorrow, so I can think harder.

It could be that the treason led to exile for Heimdel, Sif, and the warriors three. So if Loki got under Odin's guard enough to wound him and force him into Odinsleep to heal, he could hide the body and take over with little fear of anyone seeing through it. And the last dark elf ship seemed to crash around where Loki "died" earlier, so the body being lost under he wreckage would be plausible if Thor did look. That doesn't address the diva aspect. But at the end of he Avengers, Loki made some serious enemies when he failed his erstwhile allies, so staying hidden while building up a power base might look appealing right now .

Made it to Thor 2, although fate seemed to want me not to.

Well, maybe I see why. I thought it was pretty dumb (hi Sean!). It's like the Stargate: Atlantis of the Marvel movieverse. You do dumb things, so crises happen. Also, your ships are pulled out of thin air and have no chemistry.

Didn't Odin say don't take Jane to Lothlorien and give the ethernet to Galadriel and try and fuck him up then because it won't work? And then it didn't? I don't know what his plan was, but it's possible it wasn't handing the bad guy what he was looking for in time for him to reach his goals.

Oh, and Loki. Just...Loki. I still don't have a there there. There's one setting: he's not going to do what he promised, and at least one of the fakeouts will be just for the audience. And the Trickster is never where you think his body is, I learnt that from Supernatural. Or fiction. One of the two.