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Buffista Movies 7: Brides for 7 Samurai  

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Frankenbuddha - Dec 04, 2012 10:40:17 am PST #23004 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

See I'd love him to do another Forgotten Silver or Heavenly Creatures as well as the big effects movies. Not that I won't see the Hobbit films - I can't wait until Smaug turns up (though I wish it wasn't all the way until the third movie, which I'm guessing is how it will go). I'd just like to him to get back to his roots occasionally.


§ ita § - Dec 04, 2012 11:10:34 am PST #23005 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't know if they're roots so much as all he could get away with at the time.


Consuela - Dec 04, 2012 11:18:55 am PST #23006 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Is there a pattern of that?

Like Frank said: King Kong, which was IMO self-indulgent and bloated. Some narratives are not well-served by lingering shots of carefully-crafted CGI. Or even action-packed sequences of carefully-crafted CGI, if they don't serve plot, character, or theme.

I'm a big LotR fan (books and movies), but there was some bloat even in the studio releases, and news of the 3-movie adaptation of The Hobbit made me nervous.

I'm going anyway, mind you. But I see Jackson as suffering a bit from what I like to call "Stephen King Syndrome" (or J.K. Rowling syndrome): the failure of the editorial process to serve the story rather than the storyteller. If everyone is going to buy the last Harry Potter book regardless of its content or flaws, there's no benefit to the publisher in doing anything but a most cursory proof-reading.

And if you're an author (or auteur) who's been given a free hand in anything you want to do for the last decade, you're unlikely to listen to any editorial comments noting that perhaps turning a relatively lightweight piece of children's adventure into a nine-hour epic isn't the best way to address the project.

That's my take, anyway. I'm still going, but I'm more wary of Jackson than I was in 2001.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 04, 2012 11:20:34 am PST #23007 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Point at 'suela and nods in agreement.


Tom Scola - Dec 04, 2012 11:34:16 am PST #23008 of 30000
hwæt

Is the Raskin-Bass adaptation readily available? I remember seeing it when it originally aired.


§ ita § - Dec 04, 2012 12:04:34 pm PST #23009 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Like Frank said

No, I mean a pattern of directors being reined in by doing a smaller post Oscar movie.

I don't even know what difference that would make. Jackson seems to like massive intricate movies where everyone's underwear is in character and the impact of their grandparents and grandchildren is equally conveyed. There is a point at which he had the leeway to do so--it seems to me like once he got budget and influence, he's gone wild.

I don't know what one small movie would have meant, or changed.

I imagine that he'll go OTT this time on something I really like, so I'll have a similar experience to LOTR, but more muted because more is being taken for granted on both sides, plus the question of what to include and exclude gets more complex when you're using other texts as well.


DavidS - Dec 04, 2012 12:39:40 pm PST #23010 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Is the Raskin-Bass adaptation readily available?

You can get it used on Amazon for about $23.


le nubian - Dec 04, 2012 12:46:05 pm PST #23011 of 30000
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Sophia,

I think we are like spirits. I'm of the school that Scrappy Doo ruined Scooby forever. Sometimes Scooby-Doo had a decent balance between funny and investigation, but it got goofier over time and then fucking Scrappy.


Consuela - Dec 04, 2012 1:27:22 pm PST #23012 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I don't know what one small movie would have meant, or changed.

For me it would have indicated that he's capable of reining himself in. And that he had some practice with the kind of self-discipline that I think could only benefit a big production. Although just because one has self-discipline doesn't mean one always uses it.

That's all.


§ ita § - Dec 04, 2012 1:35:03 pm PST #23013 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Although just because one has self-discipline doesn't mean one always uses it

That's pretty much where I am. He seems to give no indication that he's interested in small right now. Which is totally cool.