Do you have any examples I can look up, Hec?
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§ ita § - Jun 22, 2012 6:06:50 pm PDT #21277 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
sj - Jun 22, 2012 6:17:26 pm PDT #21278 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
ita, in Disney's Beauty and the Beast Belle is seen reading a fairy tale book.
DavidS - Jun 22, 2012 6:20:09 pm PDT #21279 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I'm mostly thinking of variants on the Youngest Son stories in fairy tales. Not all of them are clever, though that's how I think of these stories.
Let me see if any of these apply, or I'm just thinking of Lang's version or more modern revisions.
DavidS - Jun 22, 2012 6:24:13 pm PDT #21280 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Looking at the examples listed, it's often the magical helper (like, the Frog Princess, or the Grateful Beasts) which are genre savvy and cleverly thwart the impossible magical tasks.
Steph L. - Jun 22, 2012 7:45:58 pm PDT #21281 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
Just Back from Avengers viewing #5: still the prettiest.
Viewing #3 for me today, and I caught myself wondering how much Chris Evans had to work out while they were filming. It had to be a LOT. Hemsworth, too. And ScarJo and Renner (those are good arms to have).
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 22, 2012 7:51:16 pm PDT #21282 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Thankfully not as much as in his own movie. I like Chris a bit leaner and less puffy, like he was here.
Sean K - Jun 22, 2012 9:42:10 pm PDT #21283 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
So I just watched The Grey on DVD. I thought there was a lot good about the movie, but ultimately I am bothered. (Plot spoiler -->) Six guys survive a plane crash only to be killed by wolves. How is that a plot? This is the same problem I had with My Big Fat Greek Wedding. A woman falls in love and gets married. Not a plot.
I guess I'm just baffled that these were log lines that got sold somehow.
§ ita § - Jun 23, 2012 5:36:26 am PDT #21284 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Did you read the article I posted on plot without conflict the other day? Does it fit that template? If so, is that failure?
I mean, is it appropriate and can it be fulfilling, if they were working to a different rhythm, but no less deliberate, and no less expressively written?
Sean K - Jun 23, 2012 7:23:27 am PDT #21285 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Oooh, very interesting. I think I'd need to see an actual Kishotenketsu movie to understand the application better.
I don't *think* The Grey qualifies. It doesn't quite fit the form, and there's plenty of violence (though I guess Kishotenketsu doesn't *preclude* violence). I mean, there's plenty of obstacles in The Grey, it's just that none or almost none are overcome. (incredibly vague plot spoiler).
Sean K - Jun 23, 2012 7:26:15 am PDT #21286 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
I think My Big Fat Greek Wedding might be closer to the Kishotenketsu form, as it seemed to have no conflict at all.
And to be clear, I did like The Grey, there's just something about it that sits weird, and I suspect that was intentional on the part of the filmmakers.