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Um:
If you’re worried your kid might run around saying it, just tell them it’s very mean and that it’s a bad word. Chances are they won’t say it.
Does this person actually know any children?
And seriously "Joss can't be sexist because Buffy" is a stupid argument.
(I have no dog in this fight since I haven't seen the movie yet, but...oy. Joss is not perfect. Sometimes he writes great smart feminist things. And sometimes he fucks them up.)
I laughed at "He's adopted," and I am as well. Note that the movie also had Thor dismiss Loki's birth parentage and argue that they'd been raised together, actually taking a more progressive stance on the issue than the comics usually do.
I think, for myself, that the issue isn't the use of the phrase by Loki, but that Joss is so very pleased about sliding it past the censors. I mean: do we really need another gendered slur to bandy about?
But it's not enough to get upset about, for me.
The business with the "tip" is SO STUPID. That wasn't exactly a subtle piece of business/
I think, for myself, that the issue isn't the use of the phrase by Loki, but that Joss is so very pleased about sliding it past the censors. I mean: do we really need another gendered slur to bandy about?
Yep, right there with you. It's like, very clever, Joss, but did you have to?
Also, I was thrown by it for a minute because it's so very Antique British; what's this Norse god doing throwing that phrase around?
I think the thing about "He's adopted" is that it's actually "He's adopted?" Thor isn't changing his stance completely. He's offering some potential distance to excuse how his brother's actions reflect upon him. As Matt noted, Thor is very clearly of the "We were raised together, so we are brothers, the end" mindset, so "He's adopted?" just read as a joke.
it's so very Antique British; what's this Norse god doing throwing that phrase around?
Well, if British Accent is default accent of the gods, this is a small extension.
He was pretty pleased about smuggling that same term into Firefly, wasn't he? (Really not sure what I'm whitefonting for there, but hey!) Maybe he has a bet going with someone.
The first time I encountered said phrase, I thought it was a pure FayJay invention, and was kinda charmed - it wasn't until I started seeing it talked about everywhere the next week that I remembered that Thailand had an earlier release date than the US.
The first thing is supposed to be offensive - Loki Liesmith is doing battle in his own way.
Although if it were modernized, I think Loki calling Black Widow a whiny cunt would just make her laugh at him. (Not at that moment, because she was busy playing him like a cheap fiddle, and laughing would ruin her plan, but later.) Do I think Loki would use a gendered slur to try to rattle someone? Sure. I think the point is that he grossly underestimated BW in doing so.
And on the "tip" thing -- I got nothing. If someone is so ignant that they don't see the callback to, what -- 10 minutes of screentime prior? -- then maybe they need to see a simpler movie.
Then there is at least one person who thinks [spoiler].
At least one person is too unobservant to live. He was paying off a bet! I'm not the most observant person around, and even I thought it was obvious!
no shit. Granted, I was in a noisy theater, so I didn't hear about 10-20% of the theater due to laugh lines - and I most certainly didn't hear the "cunt" line. But I do know why Fury got the $$.