I was being snarky, but not meaning to be mean or pick a fight. It just hit a point where I was kind of baffled you'd even want to see it anymore. I have no actor or actress I'm so into that I'll sit through something that sounds that painful to watch, just because that person was in it, hence the questions. I was intending to sound more, I don't know, playful than it came out, but I have also been away for quite a while, so if anybody's failed to earn the benefit of a doubt, it's me, ita.

It depends for me on the type of painful. Because I will watch some utter drivel for some actors.

Devour? Painful I can stand once. Atonement? My utter lack of interest in seeing it and eye-rolling at the conceit of the plot cannot be moved by man nor McAvoy. Fortysomething? Yes, fine, I watched and rewatched. It's not good, nor does it play to any of my narrative kinks (unlike The Last Enemy), but it gives me a Laurie and Cumberbatch fix, so, you know. Reasons.

that sounds that painful to watch

I've never said it sounds painful for me, though. That's kind of been my point. It sounds like it has some stuff I'm really looking forward to, and some stuff I'm not going to pay attention to.

I'm not recommending the movie to anyone, especially not if it would cause them pain. Their relationship with pain is theirs to manage. I understand it's not a movie with a well-fleshed out female character, but I knew it was Reese Witherspoon long before I knew the movie's name, so I was never expecting that. I'm sure she'll be a very capable placeholder.

I don't expect the male characters to be particularly well fleshed out either, but I'm in it for the motivations I already know about, the action scenes, and the bromance.

I apologise if I took your post more shortly than was intended. I'm trying not to be defensive about my eagerness to see the movie. Because I am. For the reasons outlined above. I like those reasons a lot.

ita ! I fully intend to go to that movie and wallow, too, only in my case it's Chris Pine all the time. FWIW, my female friends who have seen the movie have all enjoyed it tremendously, but I think we'll all pretty like-minded in that we're going strictly for the beefcake and the plot has little relevance to our enjoyment.

If you're a woman who thinks about these things AND wants to engage in pop culture, you pretty much have to get good at ignoring the terrible to enjoy the pretty and/or fun.

A friend is working with Chris Pine, whose only comment to him on seeing the film at the premiere was "Well, it really zips by quickly."

I finally read Hunger Games , and I think the moviemakers have an interesting challenge. When you read the book, you're totally in Katniss' head, and thus fully aligned with the tributes. But watching a movie, you'll be forced into the role of watching the games.

Yeah. A good film-maker could do some really interesting things with that and making us uncomfortable with how comfortable we are with violence. I fear that we'll just end up with a lot of "Woo! Kick-ass action sequence!" in perception, if not intent.

I fear that we'll just end up with a lot of "Woo! Kick-ass action sequence!" in perception, if not intent.

And the movie's PG-13, so I don't know how they can possibly get the true impact and horror of the violence.

You can do a lot with music and editing choices, but I am very much with you.