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§ ita § - Feb 02, 2012 7:02:36 am PST #17900 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Imagine if you could also see his penis in that picture, though.


SuziQ - Feb 02, 2012 8:00:51 am PST #17901 of 30000
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Thanks P-C and Vonnie. That is the view I was hoping other people were getting of Moneyball. I just know I'm so deep in my A's love. I was at every home game of that streak, so I have a very visceral response to that part of the story.


Polter-Cow - Feb 02, 2012 8:25:27 am PST #17902 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I kind of wish it had delved a bit deeper into the classism issue at the heart of it all. I also wondered about the true impact it had, besides the bit about the Red Sox winning using sabermetrics (it's kind of sad that apparently it never worked out for Beane himself...once again, the team with more money prevails). Another thought I had is that if this way of thinking caught on, wouldn't the undervalued players suddenly be worth more financially and ruin the whole plan?


tiggy - Feb 02, 2012 8:28:07 am PST #17903 of 30000
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

new Hunger Games trailer! [link]


DavidS - Feb 02, 2012 8:39:47 am PST #17904 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Another thought I had is that if this way of thinking caught on, wouldn't the undervalued players suddenly be worth more financially and ruin the whole plan?

What he tried to do was stay ahead of the curve and develop proprietary stats on things like defense, and rebuild the A's around that undervalued commodity. We actually made it out of the first round of the playoffs with that approach in 2006.

But basically (a) the Red Sox hired Bill James and both they and the Yankees had teams with massive On-Base Percentage offenses; and (b) Beane went all-in with a big contract to the homegrown Eric Chavez (a rarity being a non-steroidal, 30 HR, Gold Glove defensive third-baseman) and Chavez's shoulders blew out.

We also had cornered two stud pitchers in Dan Haren and Rich Harden that were as good as anybody in the league, and we were looking to build on that but Harden kept getting injured and Haren was traded off to rebuild the farm system. So we kind of got unlucky with injuries to Chavez and Harden who could've been perennial all-stars. Also our Rookie of the Year shortstop, Bobby Crosby, didn't improve but actually regressed.

Bottom Line: you can still find undervalued talent but if you have big money you can overcome your mistakes.

(Actually the next big Moneyball team was the Tampa Bay Rays who were a long-time loser team in the toughest division - the AL East with the Red Sox and the Yankees (who have massively huge budgets). Their front office guys were all out of Wall Street arbitrage and they found the great undervalued asset was actually young baseball players. This was due to the fact that baseball teams control players for the first six years of their career, and during this cost-controlled period most players are at their most productive. The Yankees went on a binge of high priced (older) free agents who were past their prime but the Rays developed from within and despite a crappy stadium, and poor attendance beat out the Yanks and Red Sox twice in the last couple years.)


megan walker - Feb 02, 2012 11:13:54 am PST #17905 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

new Hunger Games trailer! [link]

Interesting that they changed the story of the mockingjay pin. Not that it's not a good change.


Polter-Cow - Feb 02, 2012 11:34:15 am PST #17906 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Yeah, I'd already heard they cut out the Mayor's daughter. But what they show there sounds like it will work well too.


§ ita § - Feb 03, 2012 4:41:29 am PST #17907 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Was it verified here that not only is there going to be Hunger Games 2, but the same director is directing? [link]


Amy - Feb 03, 2012 4:49:58 am PST #17908 of 30000
Because books.

I just saw it mentioned that there will be FOUR movies. Breaking Deathly Hallows into two movies made sense, but none of the Collins books are that long. I can't imagine how they're going to stretch it out over four, especially when there's stuff in the second book they could conceivably skip.


tiggy - Feb 03, 2012 5:06:09 am PST #17909 of 30000
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

when did movie trilogies go out of style?