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'War Stories'


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Frankenbuddha - Mar 31, 2011 5:53:41 pm PDT #13875 of 30000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Do people just ignore Plan 9 from Outer Space when they say movie-quality? And its ilk, I mean. I guess I remain unconvinced movies are worse than they ever were.

I think the difference is that we get big budget movies that may be worse than Plan 9, and the publicity jammed down our throats so much that they are actually successful.

I'd rather watch an Ed Wood movie than a Transformer movie. The laughs are better and I don't see the money going to waste that could have been better spent on...anything, including how many Ed Wood movies it could have purchased.


Liese S. - Mar 31, 2011 6:07:08 pm PDT #13876 of 30000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I just now realized that "Leaves of Grass" was about pot. I don't know what I thought it was about, maybe some sort of poetry?


DavidS - Mar 31, 2011 6:42:29 pm PDT #13877 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

maybe some sort of poetry?

You're saying Walt Whitman was a pot-head?


billytea - Mar 31, 2011 6:44:41 pm PDT #13878 of 30000
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

You're saying Walt Whitman was a pot-head?

That'd make Whitman's samplers a lot more popular.


DavidS - Mar 31, 2011 6:46:50 pm PDT #13879 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

That'd make Whitman's samplers a lot more popular.

"The Candy Man makes / everything he bakes / satisfying and hempalicious / you can even eat the roach clippies..."


Liese S. - Mar 31, 2011 6:55:00 pm PDT #13880 of 30000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

OMG! Is "Splendor in the Grass" about pot?


DavidS - Mar 31, 2011 6:56:00 pm PDT #13881 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

OMG! Is "Splendor in the Grass" about pot?

It is. And those shoes you call Mary Janes? Marijuana!


Fiona - Mar 31, 2011 9:48:44 pm PDT #13882 of 30000

On other boards I see people railing about movie remakes on principle, as if by definition every remake has to be a bad thing. I suspect it has to do with the current cultural equation of creativity with originality, which seems to be applied to films more than to any other art form, especially if they're based on other films rather than books or plays. (I thought it was hilarious recently how it was emphasized that the Coen's "True Grit" wasn't a remake of the Wayne film, but a new adaptation of the book, in order to give it more credibility).

But filmmaking has always been hugely derivative. Right from the very beginning, people were copying ideas, concepts, even entire movies, especially if they were successful. The first US remake of a French movie was in the 1890s, and vice versa. It's not good or bad, it's just the way the business has always operated.

Nowadays familiarity makes it easier to sell movies, or "franchises", as we must now call them. It's why the studios love sequels and remakes and reboots and why films are pitched as hybrids of other films.

So at the moment you have strong commercial predelictions for remakes versus strong cultural inclinations against them. There's bound to be some conflict.

The idea of a Star Trek reboot made my skin crawl but that turned out OK. The idea of a Time Bandits remake is equally horrible, especially for the reasons DJ mentioned, but I'm going to try and keep an open mind. (Gritting teeth....).


flea - Apr 01, 2011 2:16:28 am PDT #13883 of 30000
information libertarian

And remember, Shakespeare's plays were largely "remakes" of existing stories...


lisah - Apr 01, 2011 4:58:39 am PDT #13884 of 30000
Punishingly Intricate

But filmmaking has always been hugely derivative. Right from the very beginning, people were copying ideas, concepts, even entire movies, especially if they were successful. The first US remake of a French movie was in the 1890s, and vice versa. It's not good or bad, it's just the way the business has always operated.

THIS! It makes me crazy when people talk about remakes as if it were a new, bad thing that's happening and is sign of film making in decline!