Mal: Okay. She won't be winning any beauty contests anytime soon. But she is solid. Ship like this, be with ya 'til the day you die. Zoe: 'Cause it's a deathtrap.

'Out Of Gas'


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A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.


amyth - Dec 08, 2010 10:39:06 am PST #12408 of 30000
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

I'm not even sure what's HSQ at this point, so I'll whitefont, no big:

1) At the beginning of the movie, Saito doesn't realize that his mistress's house is a another dream until he rubs his face on the carpet, but when he first wakes up on the bed, he reaches under the pillow and grabs a gun. Why is there a gun there? Surely Nash, as the architect, wouldn't have put it there for Saito to use, and Cobb told Ariadne that only the dreamer can manipulate the dreamspace, right? So if they are in Saito's subconscious, Cobb said (when they were in his subconscious) "Remember, it's my subconscious, I can't control it." So it would seem like Saito couldn't just dream up a gun just because he expected one to be there, whether he knew he was in a dream or not. (UNLESS, FANWANK, it's a small manifestation of Cobb's self-sabotage, like a tiny freight train.)

2) The movie establishes that they can't kill themselves out of the first dream level, because they are so heavily sedated, which is why Saito getting shot is such a bad thing. The movie also establishes that the 10-hour flight from Sydney to LA is a week on the first level. But as far as I can tell, it never establishes what the kick is that gets them out of the first dream level. Do they just have to wait out a week on that level? Ariadne and Fischer killing themselves in limbo got them to the third dream level, blowing the hospital up got everyone to the second dream level, dropping the elevator got everyone to the van, and the van dropping...appeared to get everyone to the riverbank, but still on the first dream level? I'm not sure why that didn't kick them out onto the plane, but they were still dreaming, so then what? Do they hang out on the first dream level for a week, dodging Fischer's projections, trying not to get killed, waiting out the sedatives, hoping Fischer doesn't see them? Keep an eye on Fischer, covertly, to make sure the inception took?

TBC...


Laga - Dec 08, 2010 10:40:22 am PST #12409 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I still haven't seen Inception but I'm pretty spoiled and I often scroll past discussions of movies I haven't seen yet.


amyth - Dec 08, 2010 10:42:51 am PST #12410 of 30000
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

3) When Ariadne throws Fischer and herself off the building in limbo, they end up in the third dream level, but presumably when Saito shoots Cobb and himself (assuming that's what happened to get them out of limbo) do they go directly to the plane? Why? Because the other dream levels have closed for business? Because they want to? If they ended up on the third dream level, they'd be totally screwed, because they wouldn't be able to kill themselves to get out, and they missed the kick, so they'd have to wait out the sedative there.


Jessica - Dec 08, 2010 10:43:43 am PST #12411 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

1) If they'd scouted that location in the real world before recreating it in the dreamspace, maybe they knew Saito always keeps a gun under his pillow?

2) I was trying to figure that one out too, and all I can think is that yeah, they just have to wait until the sedation wears off. Or until the plane hits some turbulence, since supposedly the sedative left inner ear function intact, so a real-world kick should have taken them all out immediately, right?


Jessica - Dec 08, 2010 10:45:09 am PST #12412 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

3) only way I can make sense of that is that since the dreamers of those levels had woken up already, those dream levels were "closed" and so Cobb & Saito skipped all the way to the top.


amyth - Dec 08, 2010 10:55:31 am PST #12413 of 30000
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

1) That seems like valuing verisimilitude over safety though, doesn't it? I'd leave that detail out and get the carpet right.

2) If turbulence could take them out, then doing the whole thing on a plane seems overly precarious. I think them waiting it out for a week is my new canon, which means they must have had one CRAZY, projection-dodging, Fischer-dodging, rainy-ass week!

3) Yeah, that must be it. Or, alternatively, whenever Saito shoots himself to get out of limbo, he ends up wherever he wants. If he's powerful enough to erase Cobb's criminal record in minutes from a in-flight phone call, he can do that. (I also wonder if he fixed Cobb's problem before the job ever started, because WTF, is that even possible to take care of that quickly? But he didn't tell him because he wanted to make sure he got the job done.)


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 08, 2010 7:39:03 pm PST #12414 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I saw Burlesque this afternoon and it was great fun. Loved the setting and enjoyed the singing. Cher and Stanley Tucci were great, Kristen Bell played interestingly against type, and Eric Dane may actually have learned to act somewhere. Christina Aguilera... should probably stick to singing, though at least Taylor Swift ensured that she's not the least convincing singer-turned-actress of the year.

I was skeptical, but I must admit eyeliner, a bowler, and cabaret lighting really do make Cam Gigandet a lot more attractive.


Typo Boy - Dec 08, 2010 9:42:06 pm PST #12415 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah but Taylor Swift isn't in Christina Aguilera's class as a singer either.


sumi - Dec 09, 2010 3:32:27 am PST #12416 of 30000
Art Crawl!!!

Zap2it says that Orlando Bloom is close to signing to reprise his role as Legolas in The Hobbit.


tommyrot - Dec 09, 2010 6:47:13 am PST #12417 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

An idea that never caught on: Multiple Screens for Super-Movies (Apr, 1934)

THE present method of representing simultaneous scenes on a motion-picture screen, in succession, may be supplanted by one in which details will appear on one screen, and the main body of the action on another, at the same time, according to a recent patent which contemplates the making and projecting of several films at once. This will require more than one projector; and they must be operated in exact synchronism, for both film and sound. The patent contemplates either the use of two machines to fill a screen twice the ordinary size, for a spectacle, or one for a full-size scene and one for a smaller screen, as illustrated. Another feature of advantage is the more exact location of the apparent sources of different voices and other sounds. For auxiliary pictures, on a different plane from that of the main screen, a mirror is used to alter the angle.

Ahead of its time? Or a very annoying way to watch a movie?