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§ ita § - Oct 06, 2010 5:17:52 am PDT #11451 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hec, I can't lie--I was taken aback at the idea of an ethnicity being suited for a range of roles just plain on principle. Based on a movie and a book doesn't really make it sit much better.

People take what roles they want from what is open to them. Please open more. End of story.

I'm also not down with the implication that they should be grateful for getting any roles (Uruk Hai or go home), but I'm having a notoriously short-tempered couple weeks, and my comprehension is stilted, so I'm going to leave it that it's just what I'm taking away from your statement, not what you said.

Champion of race blind casting, Norse god Idris Elba, may be up for Luke Cage. That's a lot of alright.

Laga, as a frequent contributor to imdb, I would encourage you not to get too attached to things like the order of their listings. It's not official in the least. Often accurate and useful, but not official. And much less low profile than promotional material.


DavidS - Oct 06, 2010 6:06:03 am PDT #11452 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

People take what roles they want from what is open to them. Please open more. End of story.

I do think that's the ideal, and certainly there are more opportunities than there were. Part of me cynically feels like it's just all going to be money driven. Or not even that, since there are plenty of untapped markets that go underserved because of a blindness on the issue.

OTOH, I look at something like Joss' casting over the years. He did take notice of the criticism of the whiteness of the BtVS cast and he realized that it wasn't exactly a hardship casting Gina Torres in his new series. It's just a matter of being open to it at the inception stage.

I'm also not down with the implication that they should be grateful for getting any roles (Uruk Hai or go home)

Yeah, I think my problem in articulating that issue is that I was just thinking about the visuals I had from the movie. So I was thinking of the Uruk Hai roles as largely being extras and I had some narrative in my mind of how they were cast. But I didn't really have any basis for that narrative. I really wasn't thinking about Maori actors going out on casting calls.


P.M. Marc - Oct 06, 2010 9:55:31 am PDT #11453 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

At this point in time, in the USA, both Greek and Italian are considered subsets of White. The default Person in both Hollywood movies and current American society is (Straight Christian) White Male. Therefore the vast majority of Hollywood roles are open to men of pretty much any European heritage in a way that they are not open to minorities.

Bingo. This. And the default Person in the Hollywood writer's room, last I saw, was also White Male (something like 90%, as I recall).

I've noticed in TV that the more non-white writers on staff, the better the representation gets. It's not like there aren't still black guys getting cast as criminals, but they're also getting cast as cops, nurses, random people of all class levels and guilt levels, etc. I think when I ran it in my head, having at least two non-white writers seemed to be the point at which there's a critical mass for the, "err... you know how that looks, right?" voice.


Jessica - Oct 06, 2010 10:00:57 am PDT #11454 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think when I ran it in my head, having at least two non-white writers seemed to be the point at which there's a critical mass for the, "err... you know how that looks, right?" voice.

I imagine it's a lot easier to bring this sort of thing up when there's someone else in the room who will say "Yeah, I noticed that too."


Kathy A - Oct 06, 2010 10:01:12 am PDT #11455 of 30000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

That's one of the things I like about Criminal Minds--they only have one POC on their regular cast (and they're getting rid of two of their three female cast members; boo!), but they will cast a POC and/or a female as their Cop of the Week on a regular basis.


P.M. Marc - Oct 06, 2010 10:05:31 am PDT #11456 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I imagine it's a lot easier to bring this sort of thing up when there's someone else in the room who will say "Yeah, I noticed that too."

From the interviews I've seen, yep. Three, and you get to awesome balance! And there may also be unicorns.


Laga - Oct 06, 2010 10:18:59 am PDT #11457 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I recall my nephew telling me that casting-wise it was an asset for him that he looks "ambiguously ethnic". I'll have to ask him where he heard that and does it mean that, as a 3/4 caucasian person, he has just as much of a shot at any particular role as the actor who is 100% the ethnicity the casting department is looking for.


Kathy A - Oct 07, 2010 9:15:11 am PDT #11458 of 30000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

The LA Times looks at potential Oscar films for the year.


§ ita § - Oct 08, 2010 8:29:38 am PDT #11459 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

50 upcoming movie remakes. I'm kinda traumatised by some of these. Though I will watch the hell out of Tom Hardy as Mad Max. Oh, yeah.


tommyrot - Oct 08, 2010 8:33:10 am PDT #11460 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I'm kinda traumatised by some of these.

Was Porkey's one of those?

Also, ‘The Black Hole’ ? ‘Yellow Submarine’ ? (Are they gonna use The Beatles' music for that?)