Gris: doesn't count IMHO b/c the role was written for a man, specifically Tom Cruise .
Have not seen Ballistic or Brian's Song.
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smonster - Aug 11, 2010 10:09:22 am PDT #10588 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
Tom Scola - Aug 11, 2010 10:09:47 am PDT #10589 of 30000
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Have not seen Ballistic
You're lucky.
§ ita § - Aug 11, 2010 10:11:11 am PDT #10590 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But, smonster, they did change things to accommodate a woman in the role, including lessening the parental nature of the character. So I think it should count, at least somewhat.
I liked Ballistic. It was nummy.
amyth - Aug 11, 2010 10:15:57 am PDT #10591 of 30000
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen
Tom Hardy's camwhoring is truly epic. I've never seen the celeb equivalent. Enjoy!
smonster - Aug 11, 2010 10:20:04 am PDT #10592 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
Still trying to parse fridging. I think it's key that the term evolved from superhero comics, and specifically the trope of having a girlfriend/wife captured by a nemesis, used to manipulate the hero, and then murdered. There's also an aspect of agency, there. In war movies, characters die fighting the good fight (massive overgeneralization). This is more about women being helpless objects, disposable at the plot's whim. For example, I had no problem with Batman rescuing Rachel in BB, b/c she was there of her own volition, with no known connection to Batman. Contrast that with Rachel in Dark Knight. And sure, Dent was captured too. But who lived? And what was the toll?
§ ita § - Aug 11, 2010 10:24:56 am PDT #10593 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It can be argued (okay, it's a stretch) that Dent is also a casualty of the same incident as Rachel--he just takes longer to die. It does make him snap and result in his eventual death.
Yeah, stretch.
Typo Boy - Aug 11, 2010 10:26:55 am PDT #10594 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
In terms of men used in this way. Some of the Blaxploitation films had women characters avenging deaths of brothers or lovers whose only purpose in the film was to to provide the wrong to be revenged. Pam Grier starred in at least one. I think there may have been even been some white women in the horror/revenge genre where the same thing happened. Though the usual wrong avenged was a gang-rape.
smonster - Aug 11, 2010 10:27:51 am PDT #10595 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
ita, yes, that's true. I still think it's notable that the role was written for a man . Haven't seen that movie but might, so I'm not up for getting totally spoiled. If I do get to see it I'll try to remember to follow up with my thoughts, I know you all will be waiting with baited breath.
smonster - Aug 11, 2010 10:29:30 am PDT #10596 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
It can be argued (okay, it's a stretch) that Dent is also a casualty of the same incident as Rachel--he just takes longer to die. It does make him snap and result in his eventual death.
Yeah, no. I mean, Rachel's death is part of what makes him snap. He goes from ally to antagonist. She goes from complicated love interest to... dead.
§ ita § - Aug 11, 2010 10:30:48 am PDT #10597 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Fair enough. But he does also go to dead.