You two carried me through that war. Now I need you to carry me just a little bit further. If you can.

Tracy ,'The Message'


Spike's Bitches 44: It's about the rules having changed.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Toddson - Mar 18, 2009 11:26:34 am PDT #3932 of 30000
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

drat! can we just pretend it's true? (Elsie would probably put skirts on the furniture ... if papa told her to. And didn't insist she do the sewing on Sunday.)


amych - Mar 18, 2009 11:28:28 am PDT #3933 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

can we just pretend it's true?

No. Sorry. It's a bit of a twitch of mine. But I'll totally go along with your Elsie hypothesis.


Atropa - Mar 18, 2009 11:31:03 am PDT #3934 of 30000
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

No. Sorry. It's a bit of a twitch of mine.

high-fives amych

ION, I need to whine about some shallow first-world stuff.

Dear Editor and Marketing Persons, answer my emails! I need to determine the text for my promo postcards! Plus, it freaks me out that I haven't heard from any of you for a week.

Dear Ebay UK sellers I've emailed: would at least ONE of you get back to me about if you'd be willing to ship to the USA? Please?


Polter-Cow - Mar 18, 2009 11:32:41 am PDT #3935 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Shakespearian types...is Macbeth too much for a 12 year old?

Well, there's all sorts of murder and betrayal and whatnot, but I think I was reading Agatha Christie around that age, and it's no worse than that. Okay, maybe a little worse.


Hil R. - Mar 18, 2009 11:32:47 am PDT #3936 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

As I thought, her father's objections are that they're too young, and that his daughter is not going to marry a cripple.

(Elsie, by the way, is being a coward. She doesn't want to marry him, and is counting on her father saying no so that she doesn't have to be the one to tell Herbert no.)


Ginger - Mar 18, 2009 11:36:02 am PDT #3937 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Tuberculosis most often presents in the lungs, but can infect any part of the body. It cripples by eroding the joints and vertebrae. It's a terrible disease, and in the 19th and early 20th century, it infected 20 percent or more people in certain areas and was almost always a death sentence. Because it takes a while to be fatal and there's a lot of suffering, it's the perfect disease for the 19th century novel, allowing for lovely deathbed scenes.

My great-grandmother died of tuberculosis when my grandmother was 12, leaving her to care for her three siblings, one of whom died of TB a few years later.


Calli - Mar 18, 2009 11:38:16 am PDT #3938 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Elsie, by the way, is being a coward. She doesn't want to marry him, and is counting on her father saying no so that she doesn't have to be the one to tell Herbert no.

That's one of the upsides to being completely under Daddy's thumb. Daddy gets to do the nay saying.

While I wouldn't rule out syph, TB does infect bone sometimes. There's a variant called Potts Disease that affects the spine—it's probably what Alexander Pope had. It also can affect joints so causing a limp doesn't seem out of the question.


Hil R. - Mar 18, 2009 11:38:22 am PDT #3939 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

But isn't TB also contagious? When he was first sick, Elsie sat by him and read to him and talked to him all the time, which was why I'd assumed it was a broken hip, until they started talking about the disease returning.


Calli - Mar 18, 2009 11:42:08 am PDT #3940 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

But isn't TB also contagious? When he was first sick, Elsie sat by him and read to him and talked to him all the time

Well, we know that. But in the 1800s people would be shut up with TB sufferers for hours on end, nursing and caring for them. That's probably how Keats got it from his brother, who Keats nursed until the brother died from TB. Modern epidemiology didn't really take off until after Snow and the whole London cholera thing.


Hil R. - Mar 18, 2009 11:42:34 am PDT #3941 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Also, he first got sick when he was about seven, which I think would most likely rule out syphilis.