OK, as far as I can tell, the message of Elsie Dinsmore is that it's your Christian duty to respect and obey your father, even if he's a sadistic abusive asshole.
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Hil R. - Mar 13, 2009 4:39:45 am PDT #3426 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
vw bug - Mar 13, 2009 4:40:54 am PDT #3427 of 30000
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OK, as far as I can tell, the message of Elsie Dinsmore is that it's your Christian duty to respect and obey your father, even if he's a sadistic abusive asshole.
I haven't read the book, but I'd bet it's paralleling the relationship you're supposed to have with your "Heavenly Father," as a Christian.
Fay - Mar 13, 2009 4:47:20 am PDT #3428 of 30000
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The message I'm taking, just from your comments so far, is "Down with the patriarchy! Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!"
Hil R. - Mar 13, 2009 4:49:47 am PDT #3429 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
Every single other character in the book, child and adult, says that her father is a tyrant and cruel. Like, in one scene, at a party, a friend of her father's asks her to play the piano and sing something. Elsie says she's too shy, she can't play and sing in front of this many people. The friend says that he withdraws his request, she doesn't have to sing if it'll upset her that much, but then her father says that no, he orders her to play and sing as requested. She's crying so much that she can't see the music or get her voice out, and totally makes a mess of the playing and singing, and her father says that she's humiliated him by performing so badly in front of his guests and sends her to bed without dinner.
Oh, and her father is not a Christian and thinks that Christians are hypocrites, which is one of the reasons that he doesn't particularly like Elsie, because she is a Christian.
Lee - Mar 13, 2009 4:51:31 am PDT #3430 of 30000
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Hil R. - Mar 13, 2009 4:56:23 am PDT #3431 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
OK, Elsie's "logic" is that, since the Bible says to obey your parents, disobeying her father is the same as disobeying God.
Hil R. - Mar 13, 2009 5:16:26 am PDT #3432 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
One of Elsie's friends tells Elsie that her father is horrible for not allowing her to come visit. Elsie says no, she can't let her friend say that, her father knows best. Her father overhears this and tells Elsie that he doesn't want her seeing this friend anymore, because the friend puts "bad notions" in Elsie's head.
SailAweigh - Mar 13, 2009 5:21:08 am PDT #3433 of 30000
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
You know, I used to think burning books was bad. I think I'm revising my stance on that with Elsie Dinsmore, though.
Fay - Mar 13, 2009 5:28:45 am PDT #3434 of 30000
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
...really, it sounds like bad Snape fanfic.
Ginger - Mar 13, 2009 5:30:19 am PDT #3435 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
Why is anyone supposed to like this character?
Because she's good. Her idiotic life as a drippy doormat inspires others to be good. I like to think her books served as camouflage for the dime novels the children were really reading.
If Jesus had behaved the way Elsie Dinsmore did, the Apostles would have all been standing around after his arrest saying, "Oh, thank god we won't have to deal with that spineless whiner anymore. Is there any more wine?"