Anya ,'Showtime'
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Quick poll:
For me, the answers are yes and yes, but I'm thinking that in the US at least the answer to the first is "no." Based on a snippet of a Style TV special I saw today, the answer to the second is "yes."
Which doesn't make all the sense in the world to me.
I wonder if they're using organic to describe the style in which the wire is wrapped, as opposed to a more precice/rigid/linear style
The first time I typed it out, I left out the word "wrapping" but then I looked at it again and realised maybe that's what was organic. I still think it's overuse of the term, but less impossible.
I think I'd generally interpret "underwear" to include bras.
And I'd interpret "undergarment" to mean the speaker is being oddly formal for someone talking about underwear.
For me, the answers are yes and yes, but I'm thinking that in the US at least the answer to the first is "no." Based on a snippet of a Style TV special I saw today, the answer to the second is "yes."
For me, it's 1 - no, 2 - yes. And undergarments could be further expanded to include slips, camis, etc. For me, anyway.
ETA: But mostly I'd use the particular words for each item. Unless I were being lazy. And oddly formal.
I'd say "underwear" can include bras, and "undergarments" does include bras. If I said "I went to the store and bought new underwear," I'd probably mean panties, but if I said "She's wearing only underwear," that would mean bra and panties. "Undergarments" sounds kind of old-fashioned, and sounds like it includes a slip and a girdle.
For me underwear includes slip, girdle, garter belt, all that stuff that you wear under. But I've bumped into enough situations where underwear ∋ bras. I can't see why it wouldn't.
The insertion of "undergarment" into the Style TV piece made me think they were avoiding "underwear" for some reason. Perhaps because it wasn't the superset.
Underwear=panties to me, but it makes sense looking at the word that it could mean (all) the things you wear under to others. My mother uses underclothes when she means the entire range.
Interesting map in the NY Times today, showing the unemployment rate in the US>. I like how you can focus on the housing bubble, manufacturing, urban or rural.
The idea is that individuals cautious enough to be swayed by such campaigns are less likely to have an STD themselves, and by taking themselves out of the pool of possible sex partners, they make it more likely that the individual one hooks up with is relatively incautious and a greater risk.
From what I've seen, I think this isn't it - STD rates are trending higher among teens in abstinence-only programs than those in comprehensive sex ed, not just across the teen population. Kind of like DARE programs. I'll see if I can dig up a link or two.
What Hil said -- I would use underwear both ways, depending on context. But maybe I think it mostly means panties. "Bra and underwear" would work.
ION, I couldn't figure out why my apartment was so cold, until I realized that a window was wide open! I guess something broke in the mechanism for the top part of the window, because I had to brace it to get it back up and locked. I would be more worried, since it's the window on the fire escape, but it would have been pretty awkward getting in the window, with just the top one open, and nothing was missing from my house or anything. BUT STILL.