I got stupid. The money was too good.

Jayne ,'Objects In Space'


Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


SuziQ - Feb 18, 2009 6:46:58 am PST #6838 of 30000
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

...since they don't make the Oldsmobile Cutlass anymore.

My first car. An Oldsmobile Station Wagon Cutlass Supreme. Dang gas guzzling whale.


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 18, 2009 6:47:31 am PST #6839 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I've been very happy with Chevrolet's low-end sedans since the mid-90s. My '98 Cavalier ran about 170,000 miles before maintenance issues became problematic. And the current Cobalt is going strong at 106,000 miles, still getting about 32mpg on the highway. Don't know how the Aveo stacks up durability and maintenance-wise, but it's about 3/4 the price and probably gets better mileage.


Kathy A - Feb 18, 2009 6:48:08 am PST #6840 of 30000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Emily, if you do go with a slightly used car and decide to buy it through a dealership, see if you can get an extended warranty with it. My mom bought a used Caddy and got the warranty, which has more than paid for itself with all the work she's had done on it in the four years since.


megan walker - Feb 18, 2009 6:48:16 am PST #6841 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Emily, I suggest a slightly used "better" car. It will be the same price as a cheap new car and be of better quality. My DH and all the professional auto journalists we know always buy used for that very reason. You get more car for the money.

This is some of the best financial advice I know. One of the biggest financial errors people make is buying new cars. My very well off sister and her husband buy used Mercedes from a reputable dealer for about $15,000-18,000.

Dave Ramsey says you shouldn't even consider buying new cars unless you're a millionaire.

t /Dave Ramsey likes carrots


Theodosia - Feb 18, 2009 6:49:26 am PST #6842 of 30000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I agree with Scrappy -- it loses less value while you pay it off, and you'll find the "extras" that a higher-priced car has aren't all gimcrackery. Some things, like keyless entry and power windows, et cetera, turn out to make a car much less frustrating to operate.

FWIW, I lurvvved my Audi 5000 which I got a sweetheart deal on -- leather seats with electronic memory, heated side mirrors that didn't ice up, BIG back seat and much more, like serious 0-60 pickup. I got such a good deal because it was the Deathcar model... except that the problem with unintended acceleration all happened in the automatic trans cars, and mine was a standard. (Also, it was probably driver error/bad brake pedal ergonomics.)

Anyway, my experience with used cars says that you're better off buying up a couple levels with the same amount of money you'd spend on a new car, with proper vetting by a trusted mechanic, of course.


Kathy A - Feb 18, 2009 6:49:52 am PST #6843 of 30000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Actually, Ramsey says that smart millionaires don't buy new--that's one way they become millionaires. (Another Dave Ramsey fan here!)


Gudanov - Feb 18, 2009 6:51:03 am PST #6844 of 30000
Coding and Sleeping

Maybe it's a regional thing, but we had a problem with used Toyotas and Hondas back when we got our minivan. The prices on the used ones were pretty much the same prices as new ones, maybe a thousand or two less but not worth the extra mileage. For that reason we ended up going with a Ford minivan plus an extended warranty.


megan walker - Feb 18, 2009 6:52:27 am PST #6845 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I got such a good deal because it was the Deathcar model... except that the problem with unintended acceleration all happened in the automatic trans cars, and mine was a standard. (Also, it was probably driver error/bad brake pedal ergonomics.)

My work-study job my sophomore year of college was at Ralph Nadar's Center for Auto Safety. My job the whole year was working on the Audi case.


megan walker - Feb 18, 2009 6:56:02 am PST #6846 of 30000
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Maybe it's a regional thing, but we had a problem with used Toyotas and Hondas back when we got our minivan. The prices on the used ones were pretty much the same prices as new ones, maybe a thousand or two less but not worth the extra mileage.

Yeah, I'd almost say if you have your heart set on a Honda or Toyota you might as well buy new because they depreciate so much less rapidly than other cars and it's hard to get a good deal on a used one.


Gudanov - Feb 18, 2009 6:57:10 am PST #6847 of 30000
Coding and Sleeping

The used prices on Hondas are also why we ended up with a Nissan for our last car purchase. We wanted a Honda, but the used prices were just too much. We had a high range (some financing) and low range (cash) looking for a car. The slightly used Hondas just didn't discount enough from a new Fit. The Toyotas were a closer call, but we ended up getting a Nissan with cash.