They're doing it backwards; walking up the down slide.

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Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cashmere - Feb 06, 2009 5:29:43 am PST #5302 of 30000
Now tagless for your comfort.

{{{Aimee & Joe}}}

When the economy recovers, I'm buying this tea infuser.

Tea goes into the cage.
Cage goes into the water.
Shark's in the water tea.


msbelle - Feb 06, 2009 5:32:06 am PST #5303 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Am I wrong in thinking that now is the perfect time to re-calculate executive pay? There is virtually no where for excutives to run off too for greener pastures. No one is in great shape. What is needed is strong no BS leadership of the governing boards, people who are not afraid to call greedy greeders out. Can we get an Obama cloner?


Tom Scola - Feb 06, 2009 5:37:27 am PST #5304 of 30000
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Dear coworker: No matter how fine-grained the statistics you want collected are, they ain't going to show anything. THE RESULT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ISN'T THERE.


lisah - Feb 06, 2009 5:41:57 am PST #5305 of 30000
Punishingly Intricate

Am I wrong in thinking that now is the perfect time to re-calculate executive pay?

I am so with you, msbelle!


Miracleman - Feb 06, 2009 5:42:34 am PST #5306 of 30000
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

Thanks, all. It hasn't sunk in yet. I suppose it will on Monday, an hour after Aims and Em are off to work and school respectively. That's when I'll snap and vacuum the entire house then alphabetize Emeline's toys.


brenda m - Feb 06, 2009 6:03:35 am PST #5307 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Am I wrong in thinking that now is the perfect time to re-calculate executive pay?

This. The argument these firms keep making with the huge bonuses is that they have to do it to keep their top performers. And maybe in October that argument held a little bit of water but now? Where exactly are they all gonna go?


Fred Pete - Feb 06, 2009 6:09:25 am PST #5308 of 30000
Ann, that's a ferret.

And if anyone decides to retire or something similar because they don't want to work for that money, well, one less person to compete for the jobs that are left.


Emily - Feb 06, 2009 6:11:50 am PST #5309 of 30000
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

No sympathy here either. Hell, the automakers' CEOs were pledging to work for a $1 salary if they got $15b in loans from the government.

That's true, although that means most of their income probably comes from other sources at this point.

Just one more post on this -- again, I'm NOT advocating sympathy for the executives themselves*. I'm talking about family members and employees -- maids, housekeepers, cooks, drivers. Yes, those are luxuries, but for the people doing the actual jobs, those are their actual jobs.

Anyway. People making that much money have multiple sources of income and probably won't actually suffer much of a loss, proportionately.

(*although I do want to point out that the people who don't have roots are looking at my Netflix subscription and house to myself and -- let's be honest about how good this year has been to me -- trips to Egypt and wouldn't exactly feel sympathy for me if I got a pay cut either. If I got my salary cut in half I'd still have a root, after all.)

ETA: I suppose what I'm saying is that unseemly wealth is largely relative.


Cashmere - Feb 06, 2009 6:15:14 am PST #5310 of 30000
Now tagless for your comfort.

Vanity Fair has been running lots of articles on the poor Hedge Hogs for a while. I have zero sympathy. Some of their wives are hocking MILLIONS of dollars in jewelry to pay their bills.

When I went in to have my ring repaired I saw a youngish woman in the shop with three small children trying to sell her wedding set for money. They couldn't even give her anything for the scrap value. That sucked.


msbelle - Feb 06, 2009 6:47:33 am PST #5311 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

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