There's no reason I can't support this woman's legal right to choose her family while also thinking on a personal level that she's not making good choices.

This is where I am.

And we can all have an opinion about what she's doing, whether it's our business or not. When do we not?

And its sort of none of our business.

Heh. I'll let Cashmere's current tag speak for me on this one:

"...we're Buffistas. We have opinions on shows we've never watched, food we've never eaten, people we've never fucked. It's what we do."--Teppy

Kat seems fairly certain she was not TRYING to have eight babies and that her guess was free-lance or foreign fertility treaments.

It's one opinion of many, though. She could also be a flake who's not emotionally equipped to raise 14 kids. We just don't know.

IcompletelyON, Two Lumps is hilarious today! The cats discover the webcam.

And in wildly other news . . .

Restroom requiem: 'It was a good toilet' gunned down in line of 'doody'

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A whackaloon with a concealed carry permit went to the bathroom in a burger joint, and as he was pulling up his pants, his pistol fell out of his holster, and it went off, shattering the toilet.

Life in Utah.

But the "john" was destroyed, and the national hamburger chain is feeling the loss. "By all accounts, it was a good toilet; reliable and well liked by customers and crew members alike," wrote Brad Haley, executive vice president of Carl's Jr. marketing, in a tongue-in-cheek note posted on the company's Facebook page.

I don't get to say "how people build their own families is their own business" unless I mean it all the time.

There is a huge huge difference between my judging someone's life choices, and the government taking away those choices. When someone's church speaks out against gay people adopting children, I think they're wrong-headed, and get on with my life. If the government says gay people can't adopt, that's a problem. Of course it's their business how they build their family (or, I would suggest, a decision made with the family, their doctor, their clergy [if any]), but I can still feel free to think it's a bad choice.

I'm sure this woman's family planning is none of business but I do have an opinion on it.

It may seem like hypocrisy to say I'm fully pro-choice while thinking this woman has made a fucked up decision. But it isn't any more hypcritcal than someone who spends the money and goes through extreme medical intervention to get pregnant, stay pregnant and to end up delivering eight kids to a NICU while refusing selective reduction because it's not in God's plan.

I do respect Kat's stance and understand why she wouldn't want strangers judging her decisions.

My own sense of judgement comes from watching my niece have three kids on public assistance and to continue to not be able to provide adequately for them.

But I could just be irrationally bitchy this morning.

I'd have a hard time doing a selective reduction and there's nothing religious about that. Honestly, I don't know if I could do it.

Here's a CBS news article that includes a reproductive specialist blasting whoever implanted that many embryos: [link] You'll note that they're reporting that it's her father who's going as a contractor to Iraq, not the babies' father.

It is sort of our business, in that the hospital and/or her insurer are out tons of money; the kids may go to public schools; and they have an impact on the environment. I agree that I'd be uncomfortable having the government choose who can or cannot have children, but I'm perfectly free to be morally outraged.

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What everyone else said about there also being a difference between me/us being judgey on this and government intervention. I'm not the government and am not trying to be, but I do have the right to an opinion.