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'Serenity'


Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


javachik - Jul 07, 2009 9:11:19 pm PDT #27956 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

But what is the stuff that MJ had to endure (I do mean that nonsnarkily)? I mean, other than the scalp catching on fire.

His dad beating him straight up and sideways for all of his childhood and most of his adolescence, for one. And secondly, being a child star has its own challenges.

But I could never see Al Sharpton (he is no "Reverend") for the rest of my life and it would be too soon. Pretty much the same for Jesse Jackson and Don King.

People I can't get enough of? Queen Latifah and Jennifer Hudson. I adore those women beyond all reason. And Jennifer Hudson knows from tragedy.


DavidS - Jul 07, 2009 9:12:15 pm PDT #27957 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

But what is the stuff that MJ had to endure (I do mean that nonsnarkily)?

Abusive father? Growing up in the spotlight? Being the family's meal ticket?


billytea - Jul 07, 2009 9:17:12 pm PDT #27958 of 30000
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Relatedly, four of the five popular music channels I get (V, V2, Max, MTV and VH1) are doing Michael Jackson.


erikaj - Jul 07, 2009 9:31:05 pm PDT #27959 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

I'm more than a little troubled by my feeling that Sharpton seemed to be including his, uh, interface with the police experience in that, too.(This is just my overall feeling, mind you) But just being black doesn't make him Hassled By the Man cause he can't have little kids in his bed.


brenda m - Jul 08, 2009 2:16:46 am PDT #27960 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

But I could never see Al Sharpton (he is no "Reverend") for the rest of my life and it would be too soon. Pretty much the same for Jesse Jackson and Don King.

Haven't seen any of the MJ stuff, and I've no doubt it's awful. But for a while my Tivo was picking up Sharpton's morning talk show, and hand to dog, it's interesting, and rational, and generally has on a panel of people with actually differing viewpoints who get pretty deep into actual issues.

Kind of mind-fuck, really.


Jesse - Jul 08, 2009 2:47:40 am PDT #27961 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I think most people who turn into characatures started out with some actual substance, which remains under the Image. I mean, look at Jerry Springer.


Sparky1 - Jul 08, 2009 3:05:08 am PDT #27962 of 30000
Librarian Warlord

I cannot see Al Sharpton without remembering that during the Tawana Brawley incident one of the local news stations in NY did an interview with his hairdresser, and the hairdresser showed the television audience the hair rollers that she used to style his hair. It was bizarre.

My sister in LA is sick of the MJ coverage, and is complaining that she won't be able to find anything out about the CA budget until the question of whether or not he will be buried at Neverland is solved. She's a professor in the community college system, and they've cut 50% of classes for the Fall semester as a way to start dealing with the problem, so she's much more interested in the budget than MJ.

It turns out, though, that my BiL (a chemistry professor at the same community college) had Debbie Rowe's lawyer as a student once.


Kat - Jul 08, 2009 4:32:48 am PDT #27963 of 30000
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Abusive father? Growing up in the spotlight? Being the family's meal ticket?

But are the those the things to which Al Sharpton was referring in front of his family? Like wasn't his abusive father there? That's why I was so confused.


Trudy Booth - Jul 08, 2009 4:46:50 am PDT #27964 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'm no fan of Sharpton, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe Michael molested anybody. I know many people do, but those that don't aren't going to explain it each and every time they compliment the man. I think you can trust that if someone says "Michael got a raw deal" they think Michael got a raw deal.

As far as "nothing wrong with their Daddy" there were pretty constant critiques of him as a freak well before and after anyone alleged anything illegal. He was a fag, he spoke like a woman, he was trying to be white, he tried to buy the elephant man's bones, his children aren't his children, he and his sister are the same person, and on and on and on. "Wacko Jacko" iirc, predates a kid being doped up on sodium penathol and "questioned" by his Father who then openly bragged about how he was going to get millions out of Jackson.


Steph L. - Jul 08, 2009 4:51:06 am PDT #27965 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

there were pretty constant critiques of him as a freak well before and after anyone alleged anything illegal.

Building Neverland, the chimp, appearing in public in surgical masks -- pretty much anything that the average non-superstar *doesn't* do got him labelled as a freak.

And I think it was excellent of Sharpton to address Michael's kids that way.