I could squeeze you until you popped like warm champagne, and you'd beg me to hurt you just a little bit more.

Fuffy ,'Storyteller'


Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Apr 30, 2009 9:52:15 am PDT #17462 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Is it worse than other flus, or just more unexpected?

H1N1 is a new strain in humans and so it has the potential to be extremely virulent, which is common when a virus jumps between species.

A well-adapted virus will keep its host healthy enough to continue being a nice place for the virus to live so it can replicate and go on to infect others. So influenza (which is native in birds) won't make a bird very sick, but when a strain mutates and is suddenly able to infect humans, it has the potential to be extremely deadly because it's not really adapted to our species yet. (The common cold? Really really well adapted to humans. Ebola? Not.)

Influenza is worrying because (a) it mutates a LOT and (b) is extremely contagious and (c) doesn't really have a cure (most flu treatments are geared towards preventing a secondary bacterial pneumonial infection).

Fortunately, it's looking like H1N1 is not very virulent and will probably go away on its own.

On a side note, did you know that in the 1918 flu pandemic, the majority of fatalities were NOT from secondary bacterial pneumonia, but from an unusually violent immune reaction? (Hence the larger numbers of young people dying than in a "normal" pandemic - the people with the strongest immune systems had such a strong immune response to the virus that they basically exploded their own lungs with white blood cells. Fun fact!)

t /flu geek

[eta: And holy crap, I type slow. Teppy got there before me AND used big words like cytokine storm!]


Jesse - Apr 30, 2009 9:54:58 am PDT #17463 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I am going to keep smoking and not getting enough sleep until it goes away, just in case -- need to keep that immune system down!


Jessica - Apr 30, 2009 9:55:35 am PDT #17464 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I am going to keep smoking and not getting enough sleep until it goes away, just in case -- need to keep that immune system down!

And bacon! Don't forget to eat lots of bacon!

(Which I hear is the homeopathic remedy for swine flu.)


Jesse - Apr 30, 2009 9:57:21 am PDT #17465 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I will eat plenty of bacon, not to worry. I figure bacon and eggs is even better, because isn't there some bird issue here as well?


Jessica - Apr 30, 2009 9:57:45 am PDT #17466 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I figure bacon and eggs is even better, because isn't there some bird issue here as well?

You can never be too careful!


Aims - Apr 30, 2009 9:58:35 am PDT #17467 of 30000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Bacon, eggs, and haggis, that way you are protected against swine, bird, and stomach flu!!

Jessica - insent.


msbelle - Apr 30, 2009 9:59:07 am PDT #17468 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Jesse - you need to get one of those electronic cigarette thingies. I've been meaning to tell you. A parent of one of the kid's at mac's afterschool has one.


Gudanov - Apr 30, 2009 10:06:40 am PDT #17469 of 30000
Coding and Sleeping

I read the Bachmann yesterday went on the floor of the house talking about how FDR's enactment of the Hoot-Smalley tariffs caused the Great Depression. Of course she's factually wrong in every possible way. You don't suppose someone on her staff is giving her this stuff and then cracking his or her shit up watching CSPAN?


msbelle - Apr 30, 2009 10:18:51 am PDT #17470 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Someone should really just start a fact-check Bachmann site and email footnoted or red-lined versions of her speeches to various news sources with the factual corrections.


Gudanov - Apr 30, 2009 10:21:24 am PDT #17471 of 30000
Coding and Sleeping

That would be a big job.