I'm not evil again. Why does everyone think that?

Angel ,'Sleeper'


Natter 63: Life after PuppyCam  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Apr 09, 2009 2:36:26 pm PDT #14620 of 30000

Leaving walls are attacking. I'm sure the new walls will pull their own stunts.


Ginger - Apr 09, 2009 2:39:21 pm PDT #14621 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

The walls are probably still reeling from the paint explosion.


Lee - Apr 09, 2009 2:44:55 pm PDT #14622 of 30000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Maybe they are trying to keep Sarameg, or at least some of her.


-t - Apr 09, 2009 2:52:53 pm PDT #14623 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Stands to reason.


Dana - Apr 09, 2009 2:53:34 pm PDT #14624 of 30000
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

Charter had an all-day appointment. Someone was supposed to be here between 8-5.

It is currently 4:53.


sarameg - Apr 09, 2009 3:08:35 pm PDT #14625 of 30000

Blender, toaster, toaster oven, flour- packed.


Typo Boy - Apr 09, 2009 3:09:42 pm PDT #14626 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Not true. The charter they sailed under was a working model for anarchist styled democracies. Pirate utopias are pretty fascinating, actually. Recruitment was not that uncommon. And it was far better to be a pirate than a member of the British Navy. While there were certainly pirates who were sadistic killers, it wasn't the norm and wasn't considered good for business. I'd expect you found as many sadists among Her Majesty's navy where the slightest infractions could get you scourged or keelhauled.

Yeah, I'm aware of the histories of Pirate utopias. Being on the crew of a pirate ship was undoubtedly better than being on the crew of a naval ship. But that did not change that as far as the people they stole from, pirates were stone killers. They were "utopian" even democratic among theselves. But if your ship was taken by pirates, your odds of dying or being enslaved were pretty good. A typical merchantment taken had 24 to 50 crewman. The odds oa pirate ship having 24 to 50 openings were pretty bad. Sometimes they'd leave the ship adrift, stripped of everything valuable and any sails that would let the location of the attack be reported in a hurry. But that was only if the odds of anyone finding the the people left on the ship was poor, at least anytime soon, meaning that it was still probably a death sentence. If there were good odds of the ship being found soon, then some other solution had to be found, because if the survivors of a a pirate attack were found too soon after the attack, that increased the odds of someone tracking the pirates. All the non-fiction attempts to romanticize pirates focus on their internal governance, and what they did with the loot. It kind of glosses over the actual piracy, cause there was nothing romantic about that.

And no, nothing romanitc about Navies, Privateers, and other criminal conspiracies that took place under cover of law. Doesn't make pirates anything less than brutal.


DavidS - Apr 09, 2009 3:12:24 pm PDT #14627 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think your definition of "romance" is insufficient if it doesn't include free, law-flouting, dangerous rogues. That is romantic. Both in the capital "R" Byronic sense, and the small "r" romance.


Connie Neil - Apr 09, 2009 3:29:47 pm PDT #14628 of 30000
brillig

I have a copy of that book referred to in that Wikipedia article (yep, Grandpa's in it). Murat Reis was a well-respected citizen of one of said pirate utopias, Salee, but he also raided Baltimore, Ireland, and hauled off everyone he could get his hands on to the slave markets of Tangier. And if he got his hands on a Spanish ship, it was meat.

YUtopiaMV


shrift - Apr 09, 2009 3:32:02 pm PDT #14629 of 30000
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Some dude on a train asked me to send a text for him. I was dubious, but I did. Because I watch too many procedurals, I'm now wondering how bad it would look if this dude were involved in a crime of some kind, and I leave town the next day.

It's possible that I'm wondering these things because I just ate a cupcake on an empty stomach and I'm experiencing a sugar rush.