'Out Of Gas'
There's a lady plays her fav'rite records/On the jukebox ev'ry day/All day long she plays the same old songs/And she believes the things that they say/She sings along with all the saddest songs/And she believes the stories are real/She lets the music dictate the way that she feels.
and more that she was a wanky tool when the possibility of it being problematic was (shockingly gently) presented to her by disabled feminist fans.
But if the issue is how she interacted with fandom then that's not really about ableism. It's about a fandom /creator dynamic. She Shetterlied it.
But if the issue is how she interacted with fandom then that's not really about ableism. It's about a fandom /creator dynamic. She Shetterlied it.
Not exactly Sh*tterlied. And yes, the root issue was still ableism.
I mean, I dislike the tendency in a lot of social justice circles to get to a point where the smallest deviation from the perceived ideal mindset or language use is a huge offense (and, dude, people can argue till the cows come home as to if that's actually happening or not, but get real: it is, and that's why any actual productive discussion now seems to be happening in anonymous threads, and why I just don't have the energy to deal with the social justice conversation online), but she poured oil on the fire with her reaction.
I have some sympathy for the writers/creators who get caught up in these negative dynamics with fandom, because fandom tends to be this deep, somewhat closed discourse that's been going on for some time. There are a lot of commonly held precepts (about privilege, for example) which have been hashed out in detail and some creator-type intersects with it and it blows up because they haven't been part of that discussion, aren't working from the same set of notions, don't know the etiquette or aren't using the proper terminology.
And then Amanda Palmer is the enemy instead of some Republican senator that wants to turn over the ADA laws. Whereas I'm pretty sure Amanda Palmer is down with wheelchair ramps.
she was a wanky tool when the possibility of it being problematic was (shockingly gently) presented to her by disabled feminist fans.
This.
Amanda Palmer is the enemy instead of some Republican senator that wants to turn over the ADA laws. Whereas I'm pretty sure Amanda Palmer is down with wheelchair ramps.
You know, that's a false dichotomy. I mean, hello - what this community does is engage on an intellectual and emotional basis with pop culture we love. Joss and Dollhouse, anyone? She crossed a line for me, personally, was my point. And I think dismissing legitimate concerns with "I am an ARTISTE" and some really negative language and inciting one's rabid fanbase (and then Neil jumped in and brought his to the party, IIRC) is shitty.
I evaluate artists' work in the context of larger society and my deeply held beliefs. It was a turn off and I'm done. I'll be over here listening to My Chem.
eta Annaham's reaction to the reaction to her post on Evelyn Evelyn. >[link]
I'll be over here listening to My Chem.
Didn't Gerard contribute to Evelyn Evelyn?
Didn't Gerard contribute to Evelyn Evelyn?
Yes. I pick and choose my battles.
Yes. I pick and choose my battles.
That's fine, I was just clarifying. Did Gerard have anything to say about the kerfuffle, or did he wisely keep his head low?
As far as I know, he did not speak on the topic.
Going back a bit:
Seriously, I think that's a false issue. People have tried to get out of bad contracts by doing stuff like grunting into a microphone for twenty hours, or sticking RCA with Metal Machine Music.
I think you missed my point, or perhaps it's just our dramatically differing perspectives. I'd rather she grunted into a mic for 20 hours. My issue is with the ableism and her response when called on it. Mostly the latter. It's just the sauce on top that it was a concept that she arrived at to solve a personal issue.
It's just the sauce on top that it was a concept that she arrived at to solve a personal issue.
I'm not privy to her thought process on the matter, but I expect that when one avenue closed to her, she simply decided to pursue another collaborative project that had probably been brewing in her mind for a while.
My issue is with the ableism and her response when called on it.
I'm not trying to be a smartass, but is there any response she could've made aside from "You're right and I'm wrong; I'll change immediately" that would've ameliorated the situation?
You don't have to continue the discussion is you find it fruitless or frustrating. I'm just curious to hear your perspective on that event.
Seeing them this way links them in my mind with The Cockettes, Can, The Factory, and the Mystik Knights of the Oingo Boingo/Forbidden Zone and other such hippie-ish art collectives in that late sixties/early seventies zone.
I'm not trying to be a smartass, but is there any response she could've made aside from "You're right and I'm wrong; I'll change immediately" that would've ameliorated the situation?
Yes, she could have said "I am sorry I upset people", instead of trying to tell people that they were overreacting, didn't they know she was an arTEEST?
I try to stay out of the AP & Evelyn Evelyn fight, because while I really don't like how AP handled it, the Evelyn Evelyn thing lead to some fantastic opportunities for a dear friend. So I'm massively conflicted.