CONGRATS, Sparky and DH!

What exactly is meant by 'Hispanic', or 'Latino'? I mean, my understanding is that these words are interchangeable

Fay, generally if one is referred to as "Hispanic" it's because they're descended from Spaniards or former residents of Hispaniola/the Iberian Peninsula.

The term Latino(a) has its origins in what's now Italy and from where the Romance languages of Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, and French have their roots. Since Latin America is a geographic location, most people who have their roots there refer to themselves as Latinos, but may not be Hispanics. Brazilians, for example-- they speak Portuguese and are from Latin America, so therefore are Latinos, but if they are native Brazilians and don't have any ancestors from the Iberian Peninsula, then they're not Hispanic.

Using me, as an example, I'm both Latina & Hispanic-- my parents were both born and bred in Cuba and on my father's side, there were native islanders, so therefore, that's the Latin American part of my heritage. My mother's family, on the other hand, while they had been in Cuba for many generations, can trace their background back to Spain, therefore, I'm also Hispanic.

I have NO idea if that helps at all. Personally, I prefer Latino(a) to Hispanic. For me, there are too many negative connotations with derogatory names that can come from "Hispanic."

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A friend of my sister's was born in Colombia. Her parents were also born in Colombia. Her grandparents were born in Germany, and came to Colombia to escape the Holocaust. (It was basically a case of "what's the first boat that's going to a country that'll take us in?") The family moved to NJ when this girl was about 10. When she was applying for college, she checked "Hispanic" as her ethnicity. I'm guessing that it was mostly so that her application would get special notice for diversity, but she also said that she identified as Colombian and her first language was Spanish, so that's what seemed like the best choice. (The "white" choice on those forms actually says "white, non-Hispanic.") She got some strange looks when she showed up for the college tours and was met by representatives of the Hispanic student groups -- she's very blond, blue eyes, and incredibly pale.

Our Percy was part Bengal -- we figured it out by both physical descriptions and behavior descriptions. Reading up on how to deal with attack issues really helped. ( he was never really good with people he didn't know, but he never caused an ER visit)

And I was right -- figuring out the distinction being Hispanic and Latino is difficult

And I was right -- figuring out the distinction being Hispanic and Latino is difficult

I think there's also a difference between the formal definitions and the way people use them.

(I had nothing to do with his death!)

I love that you felt the need to qualify.

but she also said that she identified as Colombian and her first language was Spanish, so that's what seemed like the best choice. (The "white" choice on those forms actually says "white, non-Hispanic.") She got some strange looks when she showed up for the college tours and was met by representatives of the Hispanic student groups -- she's very blond, blue eyes, and incredibly pale.

I've seen that before, a lot of Germans emigrated to South America, so there are some blue eyed blonds that are native. Also, los conquistadores left some genetic material behind.

I think there's also a difference between the formal definitions and the way people use them.

There is, and also a difference between the way the terms are used in different regions and/or different communities. Around here, I don't think I've ever heard someone say that they (or someone else) was Hispanic but not Latino, or Latino but not Hispanic -- but the distinction from the website linked upthreadwards between Hispanic as the term of government statistics and Latino as the term of the community is common.

Hispanic became a legal term in the United States for census reason in the 1970s-- I put Hispanic because, well, we were. Technically speaking, in the case of your friend, Hil, she would be identified as Latina but not necessarily Hispanic, because she doesn't have a genetic tie to Spain/Iberian Peninsula. However, as far as the government was concerned,

During the 1970s, various groups lobbied the United States Government to formally define Spanish speakers as "non-white Hispanics" (in disregard of actual skin color or racial background) for Census data in order to qualify them for affirmative action programs. The lobbying efforts resulted in Public Law 94-311, "Economic and Social Statistics for Americans of Spanish Origin" on June 16, 1976.[11][12] The 1970 Census was the first time that a "Hispanic" identifier was used and data collected with the question being modified in each successive Census. The 2000 Census placed the "Hispanic" question before the race question asking if the person was "Spanish/Hispanic/Latino" and requiring a box to be checked "No" if the person was not Spanish/Hispanic/Latino

And my mother, she of the long line of Spanish relatives going back to the... fifteenth century (I think) is incredibly pale, has gray/green eyes and had light brown hair before she succumbed to the lure of Clairol's Flame Red 33 in the 60s.

Ah, but how can you resist the flame red when you've already got the green eyes to go with it?

but she also said that she identified as Colombian and her first language was Spanish, so that's what seemed like the best choice. (The "white" choice on those forms actually says "white, non-Hispanic.") She got some strange looks when she showed up for the college tours and was met by representatives of the Hispanic student groups -- she's very blond, blue eyes, and incredibly pale.

IMHO, that sort of "identity" is best left to self-definition. My Aunt Elena Mercedes OurSpanishSurname has dark hair and eyes and the distinct jaw and nose of her Grandfather who came from Cuba. But any Spanish she spoke she'd learned in school and my Grandfather's cooking wasn't (other than some seasoning choices) particularly Cuban. She's never identified as Latina at all though it was commonly assumed until she married.

Ah, but how can you resist the flame red when you've already got the green eyes to go with it?

She should have resisted. I have NIGHTMARES about that color. I mean, it was really, really red. Not found in nature red. And we're talking in the 70s, when not found in nature colors were anywhere near the rage.

She also used to mow the front lawn wearing a bikini. And did I mention that we lived RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from my elementary school?

It's amazing I'm as (relatively) normal as I am.