On a related note - any recommendations for non-permanent hair dye to turn grey hair brown? (Not for me.) I did ask a while ago, but I must have timed it for when none of the hairdye afficianados were around.

....anyone?

...Bueller?

I Do Not Get the Zac Efron thing. Argh.

You are not an 11-year old girl!

You are not an 11-year old girl!

Abby's an 11 year-old girl and she totally doesn't get the Zac Efron thing. "Mom, he looks kind of like a girl and his singing is kind of bad."

I knew Abby is a smart cookie.

Sorry, Fay. I tend to go for the perma-dye.

Lisah got there before me! I think he's pretty much pitched at Lisa Simpson, and his appeal seems to be that whole unthreatening smiley twink thing you get with lots of boybands.

Not my cup of tea.

I never got the Leonardo DiCaprio fervour either. Although I thought he was very good in What's Eating Gilbert Grape, and I enjoyed his performance in Romeo and Juliet a lot too. But as a lust-object...not so much.

YMMV.

edited for spelling.

And to add, whilst I'm in here fixing the spelling, that I am supremely unsurprised that Barb's daughter is too discerning to fall for the prepackaged charms of Mr Ephron. (Efron. Whatever.) Smart girl, like her mama.

Abby's an 11 year-old girl and she totally doesn't get the Zac Efron thing. "Mom, he looks kind of like a girl and his singing is kind of bad."

Well, obviously, not EVERY 11-year old girl but if you're into him it's more likely than not that you are an 11-year old girl.

My nieces (10 & 7) are pretty into HSM but I don't get the sense that they are all gaga for Zac Efron. They dig the girls in it though.

They dig the girls in it though.

Yeah, Abby likes Ashley Tisdale, but she's liked her since Suite Life of Zach and Cody. And she likes the guys in that show because they're funny more than anything else.

Which bodes well for her future taste in guys, if she goes for the funny. She also likes the boy from Hannah Montana, but more because she's been watching him on Dancing With the Stars and thinks he's a big goofball.

On a related note - any recommendations for non-permanent hair dye to turn grey hair brown? (Not for me.)

Clairol's Herbal Essences line is pretty good.

Lisah got there before me! I think he's pretty much pitched at Lisa Simpson, and his appeal seems to be that whole unthreatening smiley twink thing you get with lots of boybands.

Yep. From a cynical marketing aspect, I completely understand why he's a teenie hearthrob. That still doesn't stop me from shaking my head and muttering "Kids today ..."

Urban Decay's 24/7 eyeliner does. not. budge. Even when you cry.

It is pretty damn impressive, and if I used pencils more often, I would have a collection of the 24/7 liners. If you're willing to fiddle with a brush of some sort, the L'Oreal HIP gel liners are fantastic.

If they redo Footloose around here, Hubby's still available to sleep through the City Council and church scenes, like he did in the origina. Hell, he could become a trivia answer or something.

And ION: holy crap, we're going to California like, NEXT WEEK. Dear Powers That Be What Control The Weather, 70 and sunny would be ideal. Please?