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Spike's Bitches 42: Which question do you want me to answer first?  

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Barb - Sep 06, 2008 10:36:19 am PDT #4701 of 10001
“Not dead yet!”

I'm oddly drained-- doing some research right now and using Google satellite pictures of Havana. I'm seeing the neighborhoods where my family used to live and there are photographs of some of the houses and they look so... lonely and desolate.

I mean, I don't romanticize the life the way it was back then-- it was incredibly racist and class structured. But I still feel sad that so many exquisite houses and clubs have been allowed to deteriorate to such an extent.


Gadget_Girl - Sep 06, 2008 10:40:54 am PDT #4702 of 10001
Just call me "Siouxsie Shunshine".

No one else being there would get me paranoid that they told everyone but me.

Yep, that was what I thought. Did wonders for the paranoia and self-esteem.

Gambit...oh how I love Gambit. He's always been my favorite X-men.

Shakespeare throw down=fun!!!


Steph L. - Sep 06, 2008 10:41:31 am PDT #4703 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Good thing Jen's in the house. And Juliana and Fay. This could be a battle royale.

Guess I done said my piece, then. I'll wait for the experts to weigh in.

But - what if she did? What if she put Claudius up to it? How does that change the portrayal of the closet scene and the rest of the play?

I always assumed that she put Claudius up to it. But -- not an expert.


juliana - Sep 06, 2008 10:47:41 am PDT #4704 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I always assumed that she put Claudius up to it.

See, most of the readings/interpretations I've seen was that she didn't. She didn't know the extent of Claudius' ambition, which is why she's so horror-struck when forced to compare Old Hamlet and Claudius and so willing to comply with Hamlet's demands in the closet scene.

But -- not an expert.

Pfft. You, too, have the spicy Shakespeare brains.


Jen - Sep 06, 2008 10:50:24 am PDT #4705 of 10001
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

You, too, have the spicy Shakespeare brains.

Like, habañero spicy.


Steph L. - Sep 06, 2008 10:51:39 am PDT #4706 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Pfft. You, too, have the spicy Shakespeare brains.

I only throw out suppositions and wait for Those More Learned Than I to come along and knock 'em down or wave them high.

Or -- it could have been a lucky guess on my part, w/r/t Elizabethan slang and the close textual reading of Hamlet. Wev.


Gadget_Girl - Sep 06, 2008 11:09:28 am PDT #4707 of 10001
Just call me "Siouxsie Shunshine".

See, most of the readings/interpretations I've seen was that she didn't. She didn't know the extent of Claudius' ambition, which is why she's so horror-struck when forced to compare Old Hamlet and Claudius and so willing to comply with Hamlet's demands in the closet scene.

This is along the lines to what I have always thought.


juliana - Sep 06, 2008 11:13:36 am PDT #4708 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Wev.

Heh.

This is along the lines to what I have always thought.

Me, too, but what if she actually is more conniving than thou? And what does that mean for her taking the drink at the end? Is she being oblivious, or is she shielding her son? And if the latter, why now? Why didn't she put him on the throne in the first place? We're not looking at a Henry VI thing where Hamlet's too young to take the throne, and he's clearly not incompetent, so if Gertrude was complicit, what are her motives?

These are things I like to think about. And then put on stage, if I had the actors and the space and the money.


Gadget_Girl - Sep 06, 2008 11:16:36 am PDT #4709 of 10001
Just call me "Siouxsie Shunshine".

Great thoughts, juliana. I think I need to reread the play thinking about these things.

And then put on stage, if I had the actors and the space and the money.

this is always the case.


juliana - Sep 06, 2008 11:19:46 am PDT #4710 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I think I need to reread the play thinking about these things.

I just got done reading the Arden of the 2nd Quarto, and then Sons Of Anarchy made me thought about this, and I'm thinking ".... I need to re-read. Shit." I think I need to pick up a non-annotated script, just for the re-read.