Doesn't matter that we took him off that boat, Shepherd, it's the place he's going to live from now on.

Mal ,'Bushwhacked'


Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


amych - Jul 28, 2008 3:06:41 pm PDT #94 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Yah, "boom" is incredibly educational.


flea - Jul 28, 2008 3:07:18 pm PDT #95 of 10003
information libertarian

Casper sometimes gets dressed after being asked once, and sometimes it takes 437 askings. She's almost 5. Brushing teeth however is a a big parenting FAIL. We realized yesterday she hadn't brushed them in about a week. She will never do it herself and if they're to actually get clean you still have to basically do it for her. We need to get some of those little pink plaque-dye pellets for her to chew, to teach her to do it better.


msbelle - Jul 28, 2008 3:13:32 pm PDT #96 of 10003
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

One answer to the morning issues is me just getting up earlier and having myself dressed and ready when mac gets up, but I am not so great at that.


Amy - Jul 28, 2008 3:17:04 pm PDT #97 of 10003
Because books.

Sara likes to get dressed all on her own, without being asked. Which leads to some interesting outfits, I have to say. I always have to remind her to brush her teeth, though, and sometimes I forget.


meara - Jul 28, 2008 3:20:34 pm PDT #98 of 10003

Speaking of class, this article about college students turning to food stamps and food banks. Which....well, I didn't think it was a very good article. And kinda agreed more with some of the commentary on Seattlest. Not that there aren't valid reasons for some students to be getting food assistance, but...dude. That article made it sound like "OMG? So I blew all my money on BEER, and I'm like, so embarassed to call my MOM and ask for MORE? And I have to pay my CELLPHONE bill! So I think I might have to go the FOODBANK!"


sarameg - Jul 28, 2008 3:21:06 pm PDT #99 of 10003

I don't remember not helping with the laundry. No dryer, so wash days were a full family event. Since it was NM, usually by the time you got the 4 lines full, the stuff you started with was ready to come down. Doing dishes (when we were little, at least) was an exercise in bonding with our dad. We had a tall stool we'd sit on and "help."

Later, it became a responsibility that all but the cook rotated through, one I'd often get out of by helping with/making dinner. Funnily enough, doing dishes is actually very soothing to me. The bagel shop loved me because after the morning rush, I'd always volunteer to do the dishes, which they hated. For me, it was a guaranteed 45 uninterrupted, people-free minutes to decompress, play in the water and relax.

Most skills my brother may have missed (out of sheer laziness. The boy looks for shortcuts,) the Army took care of. He *can* fold stuff up so neatly, it looks like it's in a department store. However, he reverts to the roll'n'stuff method most of the time.

His feeding habits suck. He can cook, but again with the shortcuts. He's made some truly foul "meals" for just himself because he doesn't want to get another pot down. He does much better for the kids.


sarameg - Jul 28, 2008 3:23:27 pm PDT #100 of 10003

Sara likes to get dressed all on her own, without being asked. Which leads to some interesting outfits, I have to say.

No, I don't! And they are not...oh, wait.

Can I have her gold star, anyway?


Gadget_Girl - Jul 28, 2008 3:26:38 pm PDT #101 of 10003
Just call me "Siouxsie Shunshine".

Its like in whichever Anne of Green Gables book where Anne and Diana (I think) go off to college and find someone to keep house for them. It was a full time job.

Diana didn't get to go to college. Her mother didn't think it was appropriate for a girl to have too much education. Diana stayed in Avonlea, got married, had children and set up house.


Typo Boy - Jul 28, 2008 3:30:50 pm PDT #102 of 10003
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

mm, well in terms of economic class. I think the useful definitions are: 1) working class - includes the poor ( A lot sociologists divide the poor into a separate subclass).

2) middle classes (professional/bureaucratic/tecnical/small business) still make their living mostly from wages and worklives are still pretty much controlled in the larger sense but have some control over day to day or hour to hour. Also more chance to exercise decision making. In some cases (small business) some of the income is profit, but overwhelming it is wages and much of what is formally profit is still in practical senses wages (i.e. tied directly to how hard and well you work that dividends from stock in a pick corporation is not). (Some would clump everyone but the small business and self-employed professionals into the working class. Lumpers and splitters too: not just paeleo anthropologists).

3) Owner class - may or may work (and even work hard) but can get enough income without working that work is not needed. Again though there can be some distinctions between Ms.-doesn't-need-to work, Ms. hundred-millions and Bill Gates.

There are a bunch of arguments people can have over the specifics, but if we are really talking class there should not be a lot. If you get beyond a handful of classifications you are not talking classes you are talking demographics.

========================== I think definitions along these lines make discussions of things like class mobility a lot more meaningfully. Note that this is economic class, not social class. I think what people have been talking about as social class can be talked about much more clearly as something other than class - perhaps "caste" to steal a term from another culture. ================== In terms of mobility, it is true that the U.S. historically had greater economic class mobility that the rest of the world. Since the early to mid seventies most of Europe beats us in class mobility. A working class or poor girl or boy in France has a better chance of becoming middle class or rich than one in the U.S. A middle class girl or boy in France has a greater chance of growing up to become rich than a middle class girl or boy in the U.S. In spite of the presence of a landed aristocracy, I think the UK may actually be better than us in economic class mobility, certainly not much worse.


Amy - Jul 28, 2008 3:32:12 pm PDT #103 of 10003
Because books.

Can I have her gold star, anyway?

Hee.