Oh, dear God, msbelle, that article is nine billion kinds of wrong, the kind of consistently perfect wrong that makes me think that the author has to know, has to not actually believe a word he's writing and just be doing it on purpose to yank people's chains and piss them off. But maybe I'm just saying that because the thought of him sincerely believing all that is even more gut-churning.

Just walk away and go back to the bliss of your no-boss and your donuts. Much less head-'splodey.

Anyone who wasn't around that day should go back and read it if you can stand to.

I do, every year.

Seriously, why would you read a column from the Post?

it was being read by the person next to me on the subway. I know it it 8000 kinds of wrong, I should have just closed my eyes. But that is what a lot of people believe, these "elites" who are never really identified - does it mean rich, or educated, or liberal?; do you need to be 2of the 3 or just one of those to qualify? - they hate God and anyone who believes, REALLY believes 'just like you', not that 'go to church for show believe'. And then once that us vs. them, the evil them - is established, just throw in a bit about 'they've been in power long enough, no more!' - ignoring who has been in power for the last 8 years. It works, it vilifies a group without ever really defining what the author means - does he include McCain in this Godless elite? Bush? - they are certainly rich and educated. I don't recall either of them doing anything that would be considered "passionate" about their Faith. And what about people who are passionate about their Faith but who disagree fundamentally with the beliefs of her holiness Ms. Palin, does Jerkoff Mr. Post writer claim to be the decider of who is the real faithful person? I just wish for once that a candidate on the left who is Christain would take a moment in the national press and say with all seriousness "The Right, The Conservatives, The Republicans - DO NOT GET A CLAIM ON GOD - My Faith is just as valid, it is JUST as strong - Christains, and all people of Faith across this country should NOT STAND for anyone questioning MY personal relationship with God - People should be able to disagree on policies without their FAITH, a very personal, important and valued part of their soul, being questioned and ridiculed. Each and every person in this country should realize that if a person, a party, chooses to go this route - Then ANYTIME your beliefs do not mesh with theirs, Your beliefs will also be deemed non-existant - Not RIGHT enough - not real Faith."

msbelle, here's an antidote from Gloria Steinem: [link]

Here's the good news: Women have become so politically powerful that even the anti-feminist right wing -- the folks with a headlock on the Republican Party -- are trying to appease the gender gap with a first-ever female vice president. We owe this to women -- and to many men too -- who have picketed, gone on hunger strikes or confronted violence at the polls so women can vote. We owe it to Shirley Chisholm, who first took the "white-male-only" sign off the White House, and to Hillary Rodham Clinton, who hung in there through ridicule and misogyny to win 18 million votes.

But here is even better news: It won't work. This isn't the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need. Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for women everywhere.

It was pretty remarkable the way the Buffistas took care of one another through our computers.

It really was. Thanks board.

Where are the posts from that day? Is there a link to the archives for that section? And is it on Phoenis? I don't remember.

Bush? - they are certainly rich and educated. I don't recall either of them doing anything that would be considered "passionate" about their Faith.

What makes me the most insane about George Bush as Christian is -- he doesn't go to church!! He talks all this shit, and doesn't actually go to chuch! You know who actually went to church regularly? The Clintons. Now, maybe Methodists don't count, because they just sit there or whatever, but. No. They can all bite me.

"The Right, The Conservatives, The Republicans - DO NOT GET A CLAIM ON GOD - My Faith is just as valid, it is JUST as strong - Christains, and all people of Faith across this country should NOT STAND for anyone questioning MY personal relationship with God - People should be able to disagree on policies without their FAITH, a very personal, important and valued part of their soul, being questioned and ridiculed. Each and every person in this country should realize that if a person, a party, chooses to go this route - Then ANYTIME your beliefs do not mesh with theirs, Your beliefs will also be deemed non-existant - Not RIGHT enough - not real Faith."

Amen, sister!

It is the first thread from WX, and it's zipped in the Buffista Archives, linked here.

What makes me the most insane about George Bush as Christian is -- he doesn't go to church!!

Jesse, Jesse, Jesse, he is a Republican. You see when there is a republican president, he doesn't have to go to church, God is right there in the White House directing foreign policy and stuff.

Oh, good, I was afraid we'd lost things when WX finally sank beneath the waves.