May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Mal ,'Bushwhacked'


Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


SuziQ - Sep 05, 2008 6:11:08 pm PDT #7479 of 10003
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

I just read that to him (hope you don't mind). He got a big goofy grin on his face and huge eyes. We will see. I'm not above bribery at this point.


Pix - Sep 05, 2008 6:16:34 pm PDT #7480 of 10003
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Java is the best. What an awesome incentive.

Btw (and I'll really shut up after this, because I'm going to go pick megan walker up from the airport--YAY!), here's the passage from Mary Gordon's article that most shocked and horrified me:

“By the 1880’s, the facilities at Castle Garden had grown scandalously inadequate. Officials looked for an island on which to build a new immigration center, because they thought on an island immigrants could be more easily protected from swindlers and quickly transported to railroad terminals in New Jersey. Bedloe’s Island was considered, but New Yorkers were against the idea of a ‘Babel’ ruining their beautiful new treasure, ‘Liberty Enlightening the World.’ The statue’s sculptor, Frederic-Auguste Bartholdi, reacted to the prospect of immigrants landing next to his masterpiece in horror; he called it a ‘monstrous plan.’ So much for Emma Lazarus.”

Talk about bitter irony.


Hil R. - Sep 05, 2008 6:18:25 pm PDT #7481 of 10003
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Kristin, on the Ellis Island/NYC side of it, maybe something by Anzia Yezierska? I've only read her novels, but I know she's got a few collections of short stories, too.


javachik - Sep 05, 2008 6:21:26 pm PDT #7482 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

I just read that to him (hope you don't mind).

Not at all.

He got a big goofy grin on his face and huge eyes.

Good!

We will see. I'm not above bribery at this point.

I prefer to think of it as incentive. ;)

because I'm going to go pick megan walker up from the airport--YAY!

Damn I am so wishing I could join in.


Barb - Sep 05, 2008 6:24:14 pm PDT #7483 of 10003
“Not dead yet!”

Kristin, it's perhaps a reverse of what you're looking for, but a fascinating article nevertheless:

Cuban-Americans thoughts about reclaiming their land and homes (2006). What's interesting to me about it is that this article is already over two years old-- people were planning then for Fidel and Raul Castro to eventually cede power (preferably by dying). Cubans have been planning and hoping for fifty years. A dream, regardless of what side of the border it comes from, is a powerful thing.

On This site there are a ton of links to articles and photographs. In the menu along the side, you'll see specific headings for the Balsero crisis, Mariel, Camarioca, defectors, and pretty much anything else you might want to know about. Some of the articles are in Spanish, so let me know if you need help with translations.


Sophia Brooks - Sep 05, 2008 6:25:37 pm PDT #7484 of 10003
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

The thing I have never exerienced being covered (but it may in fact be) is how different immigrant groups are reviled, and then assimilated. I am Italian-American, and for my generation, it seems no big deal. However, as late the 1970's my boss, who is also Italian American, was told by her now husband's family that she wasn't good enough for their son because she was "black" and Italians had taken their jobs. Now, I am sure that this, at least in part, means that my boss's inlaws are not particularly enlightened people, but my mom lived in a predominantly Italian American and Black neighborhood growing up in the 50's and 60's, and not only were they separate from each other, but also separate from the "white" people. But now, today, I don't experience any significant prejudice as an Italian-American, so I guess it is sort of a success story of assimilation, or something. I don't know, but it fascinates me.


Barb - Sep 05, 2008 6:29:53 pm PDT #7485 of 10003
“Not dead yet!”

But now, today, I don't experience any significant prejudice as an Italian-American, so I guess it is sort of a success story of assimilation, or something. I don't know, but it fascinates me.

I think, too, it also depends on the geographical location. Because in Miami, there has continued to be an influx of Cubans into the city over the years, there are still a lot of prejudices-- not just by the non-Cubans, but also by the Cubans who came over in the late fifties/early sixties, who were educated, upper-class people, who did work hard, who did experience the American Dream, whereas a lot of the people who came over from Mariel on, had already experienced more than a generation's worth of Communist rule, so they came over with a completely different set of "rules" and expectations. It wasn't uncommon for them to be looked down upon not only by Americans, but also by the Cubans who'd come over a generation before.

Interesting, interesting dynamic that has sparked a lot of emotion.


Hil R. - Sep 05, 2008 6:30:30 pm PDT #7486 of 10003
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

There was a book published a few years ago called something like "How Jews Became White Folk," about the shift toward thinking of Jews as "white." I remember seeing something about a work force (maybe on the railroads?) that had three pay scales: white, black, and Italian.


Frankenbuddha - Sep 05, 2008 6:40:39 pm PDT #7487 of 10003
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

OMG, among other treats tonight, the Daily Show showed their own version of the McCain "Life Story" video. Let's just say that no punches were pulled, and doG bless Ian McShane for doing his best Fred Thompson. Seriously, if McCain loses the election (I figure if he wins, he's never going back again anyway), I can't imagine him ever being a "friend of the show" again. And yet, I don't think it was unfair given the shit they're throwing at Obama.


SuziQ - Sep 05, 2008 6:48:21 pm PDT #7488 of 10003
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Incentive - bribery, tomato - tomahto...

Java - I just love YOU for being so kick ass and I love that HE is excited by the idea of a Ziggy ball.