If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.

Book ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


P.M. Marc - Sep 04, 2008 1:36:45 pm PDT #7111 of 10003
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I have absolutely no problem with someone who is opposed to abortion having doubts about being able to raise a child with special needs -- or basically being worried, in any case. Is she saying that she didn't talk about it because she thought she might give it up? Because it looks like she didn't talk about it because it was hard for her to talk about.

Yeah, I tend to agree with this, even though my dislike of her is strong and pre-dates her pick by McCain.


Barb - Sep 04, 2008 1:37:49 pm PDT #7112 of 10003
“Not dead yet!”

Because it looks like she didn't talk about it because it was hard for her to talk about.

Yeah, well, it's hard to talk about a lot of things, but given that this was something that was going to ultimately affect the entire family, it just strikes me as odd that she basically let them discover the fact that Trig had Down's after the birth. From what I got of the interview, she never actually told them, straight out.


sarameg - Sep 04, 2008 1:39:36 pm PDT #7113 of 10003

I'm with bon.

And oh deerloward, I may be acquiring a third cat. I don't really think a third cat is a good idea, but it looks like Miss Louise may be moving into a senior facility in a month. And she's got this kitten she loves and is worried about what'll happen to him. So. I said I'd take him if he needs a home. Hasn't had his shots or anything (ack) so I think I'll be arranging for that in the next couple weeks. Shots and a fixing.

May be the dumbest idea ever, but if it doesn't work out here, I can find him a home.


bon bon - Sep 04, 2008 1:43:57 pm PDT #7114 of 10003
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Yeah, well, it's hard to talk about a lot of things, but given that this was something that was going to ultimately affect the entire family, it just strikes me as odd that she basically let them discover the fact that Trig had Down's after the birth. From what I got of the interview, she never actually told them, straight out.

This just doesn't bother me. I don't think it is a negative thing about her character that she found it hard to talk about with her non-adult kids until the day the baby was born (when she did tell them, from that excerpt). Hiding family matters from the kids is a grand old tradition.

Look, she's not a great candidate. But it makes our side look crazy to turn everything she says and does into an opportunity to view her in the worst light.


Pix - Sep 04, 2008 1:44:40 pm PDT #7115 of 10003
The status is NOT quo.

Oh ita!! Please keep checking in. I'm so sorry you're dealing with yet another hospital visit.

Sean, continued love and support to you.

'Suela, I meant to say much earlier that I was so sorry to hear about the loss of your friend.

That boy

I'm speechless. "Boy" combined with "uppity"??? Holy fuck am I angry right now.


Ginger - Sep 04, 2008 1:45:43 pm PDT #7116 of 10003
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Speaking of experience, nobody ever seems to note that Obama is a genuine expert in constitutional law. I kinda think that would be good in a President.

The Republican take seems to be that he went directly from community organizer (read: rabble rouser) to running for president. He was president of the frakking Harvard Law Review. He taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School. He was an attorney, which is about all the experience in the real world most of Congress has.


brenda m - Sep 04, 2008 1:46:47 pm PDT #7117 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I will say that makes some of the oddities about her pregnancy that sparked the earlier rumors - not telling anyone, wearing disguising clothes until well along - make a little more sense. I can see where you'd want to avoid the general gushing and constant inquiry if you weren't really prepared to talk about it.


amych - Sep 04, 2008 1:48:39 pm PDT #7118 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I get what you're saying, bon, but let me be clear about what makes my head explode -- I have no problem with anyone, pro-choice or not, having all kinds of worries in her situation. Or, for that matter, having doubts even about a normal pregnancy. But not sure if she'd be able to embrace the child in her heart goes considerably beyond that, into not accepting the child territory; it's what her flavor of anti-choice rhetoric (at least what I've seen of it, which is way more than I care to) tells women they i have to do just by virtue of having conceived. It's also used in that crowd as a close (and deliberate) parallel to the discourse of taking Jesus into your heart, and so its negative goes to a much larger rejection than just the normal doubts. I don't at all doubt that she had her fears, and that accepting the fact that she was having a kid with disabilities was a very hard thing to face. But my dog-whistle detector says that she's implying something deeper than just "it's hard for me to talk about".


Allyson - Sep 04, 2008 1:55:02 pm PDT #7119 of 10003
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

oy. I'm a good friend, yeah? Just checking.

Avoiding Palin talk. Letting her hang herself with her own ridiculousness as a candidate is fine.


sarameg - Sep 04, 2008 1:55:27 pm PDT #7120 of 10003

I'm CRAZY.