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juliana - Sep 02, 2008 12:10:14 pm PDT #6651 of 10003
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Hellaciously good post by Bonnie Fuller at HuffPo on Bristol Palin and her possible future.

I'm not sure. I found it a bit... patronizing? towards 17-year-old girls. Who, admittedly, are not fully adults, but it still kind of grated. I'm not giving Palin a pass by any means, I just think that maybe Bristol has more agency than that article suggests.

Personally, I think the hysteria around Palin's kids is distracting from meatier issues that the left-wing press could hammer her on (secessionist, lack of experience, documented liar). Not to mention that some of the coverage is starting to sound suspiciously like the right-wing coverage of Hillary.


Barb - Sep 02, 2008 12:17:02 pm PDT #6652 of 10003
“Not dead yet!”

I can see where you're coming from, juliana, and you have a good point-- but then again, as an example, I see how many girls have been going batshit craxy over a fictional sparkly vampire boy and thinking he's just the Perfect Guy (not to mention their mothers) and I have to think Fuller makes some good points too. I think, though, I'm going to disagree on how much agency Bristol may have. I can't honestly see, given her family sitch as it's been portrayed, how she could have a whole lot.

Personally, I think the hysteria around Palin's kids is distracting from meatier issues that the left-wing press could hammer her on (secessionist, lack of experience, documented liar).

No disagreement there at all.


Kathy A - Sep 02, 2008 12:24:40 pm PDT #6653 of 10003
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

The best description I've seen yet for the whole Palin thing is "a Tennessee Williams play has broken out at the RNC."


tommyrot - Sep 02, 2008 12:32:06 pm PDT #6654 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Streetcar!


Barb - Sep 02, 2008 12:35:17 pm PDT #6655 of 10003
“Not dead yet!”

Streetcar!

Please, God, no Fred Thompson dropping to his knees and bellowing "Sarahhhh!" during his address tonight.


Beverly - Sep 02, 2008 12:35:42 pm PDT #6656 of 10003
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I think it's often difficult to remember that the *majority* of voters are people who struggle to make ends meet, who have turned to church and the bible, if they weren't already members and readers, for comfort and reassurance in times of economic and foreign upheaval, who watch tv news and read local papers, and who *believe* what they're told, both from the newsdesk and the pulpit. Whose teenaged kids are eligible for the front lines in Afghanistan and Iraq, those kids having gone through middle and high school with no public sex education, and the parents are often reluctant to broach the subject themselves. As a parent, I know how very tempting it is to avoid those talks. So if the kids aren't getting adequate info in class, they're likely not getting it at all. Which of course results in teen pregnancies before marriage.

McCain is a war hero, a father figure who has survived *four bouts of cancer*, so God must really want him here on earth for a reason. And Palin is just a mom like us, who has kids who are in the military, fighting for God and country, a baby with Down's, which surely transforms her into something approaching sainthood, and a daughter who's pregnant. She really is just like us.

This is the McCain/Palin ticket *most* voters are going to see. It's the ticket that's being promoted, and will be promoted. Let the Democrats have their education and privilege, they think they're so smart. They're *not.like.us*.

Dubya won because he was folksy and approachable and non-threatening, even charmingly bumbling, like "us". Voters--heartland and Bible Belt voters--don't like candidates who are "not like us."


juliana - Sep 02, 2008 12:36:20 pm PDT #6657 of 10003
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Please, God, no Fred Thompson dropping to his knees and bellowing "Sarahhhh!" during his address tonight.

Dude, I would pay ONE MEEEEEEELLION DOLLARS to see that.


tommyrot - Sep 02, 2008 12:48:43 pm PDT #6658 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The McCain people are disputing that Palin was ever a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. But others are still insisting it's true. Secessionist Palin Story: McCain Camp Pushes Back

My fave is this statement:

And AIP's Lynette Clark still insists that the governor was a member. "This is like a cat covering up crap in its litter box," she said.


Calli - Sep 02, 2008 12:49:55 pm PDT #6659 of 10003
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

no Fred Thompson dropping to his knees and bellowing "Sarahhhh!" during his address tonight.

I'd give good bandwidth to watch that on YouTube. And just imagine the remix possibilities.


Connie Neil - Sep 02, 2008 12:52:08 pm PDT #6660 of 10003
brillig

It's now looking somewhat brilliant. McCain picks a woman who could appear on Maury if she wasn't a governor, and he can say "How sexist and anti-family of you to challenge this woman who's just trying to look after her children."