A ghost? What's the deal? Is every frat on this campus haunted? And if so, why do people keep coming to these parties, cause it's not the snacks.

Xander ,'Dirty Girls'


Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kat - Aug 28, 2008 4:38:23 am PDT #5815 of 10003
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I am really trying not to get emotionally involved in the election. Tom has pretty much convinced me that McCain will win, so I'm expecting that and if it doesn't happen, it will be a lovely surprise!

Tom hasn't convinced me, but I think McCain might win. After being in Ohio for a few days and catching commercials where McCain is making a huge play for Clinton supporters, I have to say, it might work. (The commercials show Clinton talking about how she has experience and McCain has experience and Obama has a good speech... or they show women talking about how they were Clinton supporters who are now voting for McCain). Ugh.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 28, 2008 4:40:35 am PDT #5816 of 10003
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

That's pretty much how I feel Nora. Except every time I see Obama speak...

I may need to not watch any television for the next 3 months.


tommyrot - Aug 28, 2008 4:47:06 am PDT #5817 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The commercials show Clinton talking about how she has experience and McCain has experience and Obama has a good speech... or they show women talking about how they were Clinton supporters who are now voting for McCain

Supposedly a lot of former Clinton supporters who now support McCain are not aware that McCain is anti-abortion. As the campaign switches into high gear, I think these people will learn this....

But I'm getting more pessimistic as well. It's infuriating how the media gives McCain a free pass on his idiotic statements....


CaBil - Aug 28, 2008 4:51:01 am PDT #5818 of 10003
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Happy bday Casper!


Kat - Aug 28, 2008 4:52:17 am PDT #5819 of 10003
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I don't think it's true that he gets a free pass (lots of play of the houses thing). But I do think idiocy in our leaders has become acceptable or at least expected. I wish that you could run an intelligence vs. experience commercial (VO:"All the experience in the world doesn't mean anything if you never learn anything from it....") But maybe I feel that way because I'm an elitist.


Barb - Aug 28, 2008 5:05:39 am PDT #5820 of 10003
“Not dead yet!”

Happy Birthday, Casper! (Wow, five is such a fun age.)


Gudanov - Aug 28, 2008 5:10:58 am PDT #5821 of 10003
Coding and Sleeping

None of the serious candidates doubts that we should have a military budget as big or bigger than the entire rest of the world.

Yeah, that bothers me too. I think economic and technological strength will be more important to our future security than being able to project power unilaterally.

I'm also bothered about the idea that we need to build up our military to combat terrorism. I guess it sounds good on the stump, but I think building up intelligence capabilities, working with other countries, and non-proliferation efforts are far more important.


Gudanov - Aug 28, 2008 5:11:25 am PDT #5822 of 10003
Coding and Sleeping

Happy Birthday Casper!


Steph L. - Aug 28, 2008 5:12:39 am PDT #5823 of 10003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I am pessimistic. I don't want to be optimistic. 2004 almost killed me.

Me, too. So I don't know where my optimism is coming from.

Supposedly a lot of former Clinton supporters who now support McCain are not aware that McCain is anti-abortion.

A lot of them *are*, though, and even though they themselves are pro-choice, they truly believe that even under Obama, abortion rights won't be any better than they were under Bush.

And -- I hate to say this -- there's a demographic of Hillary supporters who claim to be voting for McCain who are past their reproductive years and therefore don't give 2 shits about the young women behind them who are going to get screwed HARD under a McCain administration.

After being in Ohio for a few days and catching commercials where McCain is making a huge play for Clinton supporters, I have to say, it might work.

I've worried and worried about Obama's chances here, but a couple of weekends ago I was at a festival down in the tiny town where my dad grew up. Understand, this town was -- and generally still is -- whiter than white, and horrifyingly racist. We knew who was in the Klan, and, well, you didn't fuck with them.

So at this festival, not only was there an Obama campaign booth, it was swamped with people wanting Obama swag, and driving through what I remember as a closed-minded little backwater, I saw Obama signs in people's front yards.

Is it enough? I don't know. But seeing support for Obama in a little hillbilly town that would have run him out on a rail 25 years ago was astonishing. I couldn't explain it well enough to The Boy, since he didn't grow up there, but when I told my brother, he had the same reaction I did -- his jaw dropped, and he was actually speechless for a moment (which is significant for him).

It's things like that which give me hope. I'm not saying the town has become a hotbed of liberalism, but maybe, just maybe, people are realizing that things have gotten so bad under Bush and McCain isn't going to make things better.

That's what I'm hanging on to.


Trudy Booth - Aug 28, 2008 5:15:11 am PDT #5824 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

but I think building up intelligence capabilities, working with other countries, and non-proliferation efforts are far more important

Commie