Come on out, River. The nice man wants to kidnap you.

Simon ,'Objects In Space'


Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Shir - Aug 26, 2008 10:14:37 am PDT #5468 of 10003
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Happy birthday, lisah!

Hil, what Israeli movie are you watching? (Grammar?)

And hey, I'm NEVER leaving home again. Crazy people outside, folks. Except for tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow. And so on. Sigh.


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2008 10:17:23 am PDT #5469 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How come Jamaica doesn't rank in your Olympics, gold medal version, megan? Usain alone has more than Cuba.

Lord, I'm slow. Happy birthday, lisah!


Trudy Booth - Aug 26, 2008 10:23:43 am PDT #5470 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

This really didn't change the current standings all that much, mostly because these sports produce only one or two medal each.

That always bugs me. I mean, not to take a THING away from Phelps or any other swimmer, but you are up for a whole lot of medals there. There are plenty of sports where you've got just one shot. I'm sure if you had, say, ten individual decathlon medals along with the "all around" we have now Spitz's record could have been broken that way. Is it even possible for a non-swimmer to get that many medals in one Olympics? I suppose a male gymnast could.


Strega - Aug 26, 2008 10:27:56 am PDT #5471 of 10003

Yeah, but it's essentially tossing my vote in the garbage.

I really don't understand the idea that voting for a candidate you genuinely support is a waste. Voting for a candidate you don't particularly like seems like a much bigger waste to me. I'd rather people not vote at all than do that, because I think that the "lesser evil" attitude is how we got here. Nobody's gonna put a radical candidate up there if they can get your vote anyway.


megan walker - Aug 26, 2008 10:28:54 am PDT #5472 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

How come Jamaica doesn't rank in your Olympics, gold medal version, megan?

Hah! Sorry. I later looked back at I saw Jamaica just missed the cutoff and thought "ita's not going to be happy about that."

I took the top 12 in each ranking (total and golds), the only difference being Cuba on one list and The Netherlands on the other. I think Jamaica is 13th in golds.

It turned out to be a bit of a pain when I realized that Yahoo's country listings are missing a few events and I had to go and figure out what the missing medals were in.


tommyrot - Aug 26, 2008 10:30:06 am PDT #5473 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Interesting Andrew Sullivan post on Obama and gay marriage (from 8/14/2007):

A reader wrote:

On February 19 this year I saw Obama speak at a fundraising event in San Francisco. There were about 80 people, at $2300 a person. He was asked about gay marriage (or "marriage equality" as I recall the questioner phrased it). In that small setting, without ever saying so outright, Obama made it very clear that his decision not to support gay marriage was political and not principled. In a perhaps anxious attempt to get us to understand his predicament, he drew an analogy.

He mentioned that under the miscegenation laws existed in the 1960s (before Loving v. Virginia in '67) his own mother and father could not have married in many states. And so he understood personally the importance of "marriage equality". But then he drew the audience's attention to the work of Martin Luther King Jr. in the early 1960s - those same years leading up to Loving v. Virginia - on issues such as voting rights, employment discrimination and education. He told us that he had asked himself many times, if he had been in King's position in 1963, would he have "leaned" on the issue of miscegenation -- or would he have postponed it? His answer of course was that he would have put it off -- even if it meant that his own parents' marriage would have remained illegal in many states. This pragmatic argument - coupled with a rueful mention of the mixing of the term "marriage" with religious traditions in many people's minds - was the best he could offer. In effect he was saying, I can't do this now - I can't even say anything more ... We have to wait.

Strangely, his tone was so personal and thoughtful that, from what I saw, he won the crowd to his side - at least in the moment. It helped that he finished his answer with a direct look at the questioner and then a scan of the audience as a whole, saying very clearly, "I will continue to listen to my gay and lesbian friends on this." It almost felt as if he was winking at us in some solemn way (I can't say it, but I am with you!).

I hope that's true.

Obama and Arendt on Marriage Equality


Daisy Jane - Aug 26, 2008 10:32:33 am PDT #5474 of 10003
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Good lord how I love Arendt.


Jessica - Aug 26, 2008 10:33:32 am PDT #5475 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But then he drew the audience's attention to the work of Martin Luther King Jr. in the early 1960s - those same years leading up to Loving v. Virginia - on issues such as voting rights, employment discrimination and education.

Er, is he aware that gay people already have the vote?

Because I see his point, but I'm really not sure what other issues he thinks are in line ahead of marriage on the gay rights front.


megan walker - Aug 26, 2008 10:34:49 am PDT #5476 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

That always bugs me. I mean, not to take a THING away from Phelps or any other swimmer, but you are up for a whole lot of medals there. There are plenty of sports where you've got just one shot. I'm sure if you had, say, ten individual decathlon medals along with the "all around" we have now Spitz's record could have been broken that way. Is it even possible for a non-swimmer to get that many medals in one Olympics? I suppose a male gymnast could.

Juliana and I were talking about this last night. A male gymnast could get 8 medals but I think it would be harder to be competitive in all six different apparatus than the events that Phelps swims in (having no idea what these are).

What surprised me looking at the medals is how many there are in certain categories due to divisions and classes (weightlifting, boxing, wrestling, etc.). Cuba has 24 medals, but 14 are in boxing (8) and judo (6).


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2008 10:39:54 am PDT #5477 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I took the top 12 in each ranking (total and golds), the only difference being Cuba on one list and The Netherlands on the other.

We might be 13th in "real" golds, but in your Olympics we have 5--I mean, all of ours are objective sports. Take that, neighbours!