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Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Theodosia - Aug 10, 2008 3:41:02 am PDT #2265 of 10003
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Damn, I wish we could arrest the Westboro hatemongers at OUR border.


Connie Neil - Aug 10, 2008 4:25:21 am PDT #2266 of 10003
brillig

I'm ahemming internet streaming video. Apparently you only get to see it if you have some sort of cable TV, and I only have antenna.


Sean K - Aug 10, 2008 4:55:48 am PDT #2267 of 10003
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Shir, I don't think we have any Buffistas in that part of the world, thankfully. Those people are still in my thoughts.

This whole Russia/Georgia thing is freaking me out. Russia is using a huge show of force, and the Caucasus is Russia's short route into the Arabian peninsula. This could get ugly fast.


Kevin - Aug 10, 2008 5:01:40 am PDT #2268 of 10003
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Have the Arab nations shown any interest in it? Russia is a formidable force, but I don't think they would ever get involved in elsewhere.


Sean K - Aug 10, 2008 5:01:54 am PDT #2269 of 10003
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Ukraine "reserves the right" to blockade Russian naval ships from returning to bases.

This could/is getting ugly fast.


Sean K - Aug 10, 2008 5:10:21 am PDT #2270 of 10003
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Have the Arab nations shown any interest in it? Russia is a formidable force, but I don't think they would ever get involved in elsewhere.

Just a couple of things to think about:

The U.S. already has some oil pipelines through parts of Georgia. This is already in danger of "threatening U.S. interests."

Russia wouldn't have to occupy or spend much time in Turkey to secure a route into Iraq.

A significant portion of our troops are already tied down in Iraq.

It wouldn't take too many missteps/escalations to start triggering a cascade of alliances that quickly involve Western powers -- think Guns of August, only this time, the big boys have nukes.

Yes, this is absolute worst case scenarios I'm talking about, but when events start skirting worst case scenario territory? Well, they should be considered.

The geopolitics were slightly different back then (Georgia was a Soviet Republic back then), but this is for sure one of the "Start of WWIII" scenarios that were practiced in war games during the Cold War.

And Russia's absolute deafness toward the West during all of this? Yeah, there's a good chance that at best this all means the Cold War has restarted with a vengeance.

Do you trust George W. Bush and Putin to keep it from turning into a Hot War?


Kevin - Aug 10, 2008 5:13:31 am PDT #2271 of 10003
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Do you trust George W. Bush and Putin to keep it from turning into a Hot War?

Of course not, but I think a lot more would have to happen before we get into that sort of situation.

Certainly, though, the US has spent the last few years significantly arming Georgia via weapons sales (and, I think, training - under the objective of the war on terror bunk). So it's funny the way things have worked out.


Sean K - Aug 10, 2008 5:18:56 am PDT #2272 of 10003
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I think a lot more would have to happen before we get into that sort of situation.

Yes, we're not one misstep away from really bad news territory, but we're not a whole lot of missteps away from it either. At a minimum, I think we can expect to see Georgia pretty much repatriated into Russia before all this is through.

Which makes Russia and Turkey neighbors.

And if the Ukraine makes good on its threat to get involved navally? Putin strikes me as exactly the type of guy to use that as an excuse to attempt to repatriate them, too. Then we're talking a much bigger and more dangerous conflict.


Sean K - Aug 10, 2008 5:24:10 am PDT #2273 of 10003
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

It had to happen sometime, but it's still a bummer.

The Wall Arch in Utah's Arches national park has collapsed.


Jesse - Aug 10, 2008 5:39:50 am PDT #2274 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

ION, I just talked to my father and my grandmother (separately). He sounds pretty good, and is I guess sitting up, which he was too dizzy for yesterday, so that's something, although they are keeping him in the hospital one more night.