Lynchings are a classic example. If you drag a black man through the streets because he allegedly did something you're making it very clear to other black men that things like trials and justice don't apply to them.
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Trudy Booth - Jul 16, 2008 2:42:49 pm PDT #8233 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
javachik - Jul 16, 2008 2:47:12 pm PDT #8234 of 10003
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That's a good example, Trudy. But in that case, lynching a man should in itself earn the murderer(s) a full prison sentence, shouldn't it?
Trudy Booth - Jul 16, 2008 2:49:59 pm PDT #8235 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Oh yes. And nowadays it generally does (though of course it didn't used to).
Lynching is the extreme example. Burning a cross on someone's lawn though... is it just property damage? Or is it a larger threat to a community?
beth b - Jul 16, 2008 2:51:43 pm PDT #8236 of 10003
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I think once it is murder--the additional charge of hate crime might not be useful. But in the case of beating or cross burning it can add time
javachik - Jul 16, 2008 2:52:57 pm PDT #8237 of 10003
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The cross-burning is interesting. You're right, it's more than trespassing or property damage.
Trudy Booth - Jul 16, 2008 3:02:53 pm PDT #8238 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
And yet... I feel like maybe we shouldn't prosecute people for what is in their heads.
Jesse - Jul 16, 2008 3:03:09 pm PDT #8239 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Philosophically, I am uncomfortable with the idea of thought crime. But then of course there are things like cross burning, so.
Sheryl - Jul 16, 2008 3:07:52 pm PDT #8240 of 10003
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megan walker - Jul 16, 2008 3:10:40 pm PDT #8241 of 10003
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But then of course there are things like cross burning, so.
I think cross burning is a special case because it has a specific historic context and meaning. Is it ever done not in that context?
beth b - Jul 16, 2008 3:15:31 pm PDT #8242 of 10003
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I don't think we prosecute just for thought -- it is action plus thought. and sometimes an action isn't enough to prosecute.