The church gave the wafer to the kid, he didn't sneak into the vestry and take it.
And the wafer was going to leave the church either way. It was just a question of whether it was inside of the kid or outside.
Inara: I think she looks adorable. Mal: Yeah, but I never said it.
'Shindig'
Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Calli - Jul 16, 2008 11:48:15 am PDT #8158 of 10003
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Vortex - Jul 16, 2008 11:48:28 am PDT #8159 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I'm just sayin', is all...
oh, I know. It's just that it's hard to demonstrate that the church was harmed when the item that was allegedly taken was worth less than a penny.
ChiKat - Jul 16, 2008 11:48:55 am PDT #8160 of 10003
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
From what I gather, there was no law broken. He was just plain tacky.
Yes, I'm fully aware I'm being simplistic and silly.
tommyrot - Jul 16, 2008 11:49:42 am PDT #8161 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
It's just that it's hard to demonstrate that the church was harmed when the item that was allegedly taken was worth less than a penny.
Well, they paid less than a penny. But then they added value by turning it into Jesus.
megan walker - Jul 16, 2008 11:51:08 am PDT #8162 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
Sometimes it's a misdemeanor, and sometimes it's a felony. I can't find an example of a crime that allows the "hate crime" enhancement that's not a felony.
I just meant in the sense that someone's reason for a particular theft (or another crime) does not inherently make it a worse crime in my mind.
megan walker - Jul 16, 2008 11:51:53 am PDT #8163 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
Well, they paid less than a penny. But then they added value by turning it into Jesus.
So in Europe you'd have to pay VAT?
Daisy Jane - Jul 16, 2008 11:52:48 am PDT #8164 of 10003
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
But a hate crime is essentially an act of terrorism, so the reason does matter. Burning a cross on someone's lawn, not only is a threat to whoever's lawn it was, but that entire community.
P.M. Marc - Jul 16, 2008 11:54:20 am PDT #8165 of 10003
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I just meant in the sense that someone's reason for a particular theft (or another crime) does not inherently make it a worse crime in my mind.
A crime intended to cow and terrify a particular group has, to my mind, a greater overall negative effect on society than one without that additional motivation.
brenda m - Jul 16, 2008 11:55:35 am PDT #8166 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
So in Europe you'd have to pay VAT?
Is that why Europe is becoming so much less churchified than the US? Huh.
Rick - Jul 16, 2008 11:56:14 am PDT #8167 of 10003
That kid should have stayed away from Catholic ceremonies. Catholics have been pretty clear about who is invited to participate in their rituals, and for him to intrude under false pretenses was disrespectful of the people involved. I don’t think that he stole the wafer but he did obtain it by misrepresenting himself.
Ideas, on the other hand, do not have an a priori right to respect. Here in the 21st century, cannibalistic rituals and magical incantations that transform one substance to another both have fallen somewhat into disrepute, so when people hear about practices that, on the surface at least, sound very similar, those practices are likely to attract criticism. Or ridicule. That doesn’t necessarily reflect hatred of a group. It’s just the marketplace of ideas.