Speaking as a Presbyterian agnostic here, stealing communion wafers is horrible and disrespectful at the very least, and I do wonder if it wouldn't be possible to prosecute it as petty theft of some kind.
You know, I just... I woke up, and I looked in the mirror, and I thought, hey, what's with all the sin? I need to change. I'm... I'm dirty. I'm, I'm bad with the... sex and the envy and that, that loud music us kids listen to nowadays.
Buffy ,'Lessons'
Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Theodosia - Jul 16, 2008 9:50:23 am PDT #8106 of 10003
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
Vortex - Jul 16, 2008 9:54:53 am PDT #8107 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
(And based on the definitions as I understand them, it's at least arguably a hate crime.)
who is the victim? Plus, even if stealing a communion wafer for the purpose of desecration is a crime, the student who originally took the wafer did not do so for that purpose.
tommyrot - Jul 16, 2008 9:58:59 am PDT #8108 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
I do wonder if it wouldn't be possible to prosecute it as petty theft of some kind.
I dunno. The Church gave him the wafer (during communion), with the expectation that he'd eat it right there. Instead he took it home. Is that theft?
JZ - Jul 16, 2008 10:05:34 am PDT #8109 of 10003
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
To call it a hate crime really, IMO, just cheapens the phrase. I actually do believe in transubstantiation, I believe that it's literally the creator of the universe right there in your hand (or, in the case of this college kid, who appears to have been doofy and clueless, not remotely malicious, your pocket), and I would still argue, fiercely, that doing some bad or stupid thing to it is categorically VASTLY different from targeting another plain old garden-variety mortal human being for some monstrous act because his/her skin color offends your miserable shittorific world view.
(eta, in case it wasn't clear, that IMO the latter IS a hate crime and the former is a world of not. And, WTF, is some official person supposed to prosecute it as a hate crime? How does that not completely piss all over the separation of church and state? Clearly, the people calling it a hate crime must really hate America.)
Tom Scola - Jul 16, 2008 10:07:04 am PDT #8110 of 10003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.
amych - Jul 16, 2008 10:07:51 am PDT #8111 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
What JZ said about the hate crimes and the shittorific (even if I'm totally off the JZ spectrum when it comes to transubstantiation).
amych - Jul 16, 2008 10:09:26 am PDT #8112 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Mirren looks amazing, but the article:
Most women only a few days away from their 63rd birthday would be steering well clear of the beach.
is the worst kind of twaddle.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 16, 2008 10:09:51 am PDT #8113 of 10003
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Go shrift, much Google-ma to you.
Vortex - Jul 16, 2008 10:11:25 am PDT #8114 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I dunno. The Church gave him the wafer (during communion), with the expectation that he'd eat it right there. Instead he took it home. Is that theft?
no, it's not. He was given the wafer. The fact that they expected him to eat it there doesn't make it a crime.
Jessica - Jul 16, 2008 10:12:13 am PDT #8115 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
is the worst kind of twaddle
It's the Daily Mail. Twaddle is their speciality. (And yes, I am saying "speciality" in a Wallace & Gromit voice in my head.)