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Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Bob Bob - Jun 24, 2008 1:22:01 pm PDT #4703 of 10003

Who Is a bad philosopher? Well, it depends on the standard you're using. I was taking myself to be an average philosopher; compared to me, Critchley is certainly not a bad philosopher. On the other hand, if you're talking about people like Kant and Descartes, well, they're of course world-shatteringly great, and it's really hard to compare modern-day people to them. Critchley would be a bad philosopher compared to them because his ideas won't stand the test of time, and insofar as they do, it will only be because they're perfectly ordinary or worse than ordinary examples of philosophy done in this day and age. Still, if by average philosopher you mean someone who gets the respect of his peers as being expert at least in his or her area of specialization, then Critchley would probably count as an average philosopher. A bad philosopher would be probably be someone like Peter Kreeft (Boston College) or Bruce Wilshire (Rutgers)--people who seem to make fallacious arguments time and again, and who don't really add anything for their areas of specialization. Of course, in Kreeft's case, he's almost entirely a popularizer, so the incompleteness of his arguments is probably a function of that. I've also heard Akeel Bilgrami (Columbia) is a bad philosopher, in that he's a very mean person, he's very political, and his contributions are derided as muddled by people who are expert in his field. For all that, though, I'm sure he's very smart.


Rick - Jun 24, 2008 1:23:46 pm PDT #4704 of 10003

fact, there's a whole burgeoning field of philosophy, "experimental philosophy", which is all about uniting the techniques of psychology with philosophy.

I've been curious about this field of "experimental philosophy" because it sounds a lot like social or cognitive psychology to me, though more careful in its premises.

It seems to recreate the original split between philosophy and psychology 100-150 years ago, when restless empiricists increasingly found themselves at odds with their colleagues in philosophy departments. Most of the original psychology departments were founded by exiled philosophy professors. It will be insteresting to see where the experimenal philosophers end up.


amych - Jun 24, 2008 1:26:51 pm PDT #4705 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Congrats, Cash and Mr!!


javachik - Jun 24, 2008 1:27:49 pm PDT #4706 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

DH and I are going out tonight--we've been married for 14 years today. I still can't quite get over that amount of time. Our marriage is old enough to be a freshman in high school.

It was so GREAT to meet him and see the kids on Saturday. You and husband are like the perfect fit of all perfect fits. I am insanely happy for you and also very envious.


amych - Jun 24, 2008 1:28:07 pm PDT #4707 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

That was some serious academic hair-pulling and slapfighting there.

Dude, you don't spend enough time around academics. That's an average day's slapfight-before-lunch.


javachik - Jun 24, 2008 1:29:41 pm PDT #4708 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

Dude, amych is right.


DavidS - Jun 24, 2008 1:31:20 pm PDT #4709 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Oooh, bob bob, named names. I will be sure not to buy a used dictum from those guys.

} It seems to recreate the original split between philosophy and psychology 100-150 years ago, when restless empiricists increasingly found themselves at odds with their colleagues in philosophy departments. Most of the original psychology departments were founded by exiled philosophy professors. It will be insteresting to see where the experimenal philosophers end up.

That's intriguing. I like hearing about secret histories. I guess it's not that secret, but if you're not in that world you wouldn't have ready access to How Changing Modes of Philosohical Inquiry Affected Academic Departments.

Hmmm, now I'm in the mood for a juicy academic farce. I think I'll go dig up Small World again.


bon bon - Jun 24, 2008 1:31:55 pm PDT #4710 of 10003
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Leiter is pretty infamous, so I asked Bob to break away from Guitar Hero long enough to explain him.


DavidS - Jun 24, 2008 1:32:20 pm PDT #4711 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Dude, you don't spend enough time around academics.

That is by design.

Though I'd totally pay to see a real academic slapfight (with non-metaphorical slapping).


Bob Bob - Jun 24, 2008 1:46:18 pm PDT #4712 of 10003

I have to say bob bob, that after reading Leiter's blog he comes off as extremely axe-grindy. That was some serious academic hair-pulling and slapfighting there. (Leiter's attempt to link Derrida and Reaganism seemed pretty specious, though.)

I agree that the Reaganism thing was a reach. No point in dwelling on that, though: let's get to Leiter.

Oh, what to say about Brian Leiter? Well, Leiter is a careerist par excellence. He got his Ph.D. from the University of Michigan, and was known to be extremely snarky even back then. I've heard that he created a ranking of all the other graduate students in the program, though I'll have to ask around for confirmation of that. What I know for sure, though, is that he runs the "Philosophical Gourmet Report"--a site that ranks the US, UK, and Australasian Ph.D.-granting philosophy programs. It's not a bad site, but it started out, from what I gather, as a one-man operation (carried out by Leiter, of course) at the University of Michigan where Leiter, in addition to ranking his fellow grad students, ranked graduate programs. It changed from one man's spread sheet to a more public venture in 1996, when he unleashed his rankings on the world (with, at this point, the input of lots of his friends). When it first started, it not only ranked graduate programs, it also trafficked in gossip--who's going where, who got an offer from where, whom to avoid because he's old and about to retire, etc. Most egregiously, it publicized offers that grad students were getting from departments. This was bad, because this cost people jobs--university X would have offered a job to candidate A, but because X reads that A has an offer from Y as well, they pull the offer from A (who, as it turns out, wanted to go to X more than Y). In one case, this led to both X and Y rescinding A's offers, because A didn't know that his offers had been publicized, and so he told Y that he didn't have an offer from X, even though he did. Bad news for A. Anyway, Leiter removed that portion of his blog.

Leiter's done many more embarrassing things, but I don't know that there's any need to ... oh, what the hell: (1) he was in an argument with a libertarian philosopher on a blog, so in response to an argument this philosopher made, Leiter OUTED him, even though his philosopher's sexuality was entirely irrelevant to the proceedings. (2) He doesn't like anonymous posting, so he encouraged people to try to reveal the identity of an assistant professor whose views he didn't approve of (and who was arguing with Leiter), even though this professor remained anonymous so as not to hurt his chances of getting tenure. (3) A law student at Harvard favorably reviewed a book a book that said that, although intelligent design was probably false, it was not unconstitutional to teach it. When Leiter heard of this review, he encouraged all his law professors to do what they could to destroy this law student's career. (4) A grad student was arguing with Leiter on a blog, so Leiter sent him an email telling him that he and some of his philosophy friends would confront him at the next conference he went to (presumably to verbally tear him down). (5) He goes on and on about his greatness on his blog, plugs his own work all the time, etc. (6) I've heard he's very nice in person.