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'Heart Of Gold'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Aims - Jun 11, 2008 8:44:03 am PDT #2467 of 10003
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Does MM have any cousins in NC?

Not that we know of, but his birth father's family could be out there. That's funny.


Nora Deirdre - Jun 11, 2008 8:44:23 am PDT #2468 of 10003
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Yes. Doctors (not all, but enough and more than should be) will diagnose happy healthy babies as "failure to thrive" if their weight falls too far off the standard growth charts.

Point taken. However, would it be a news item with nutritionists, doctors, etc., weighing in on the mother's failure as a mother?

But, yeah, charts are more or less BS no matter where you're coming from.


Susan W. - Jun 11, 2008 8:45:25 am PDT #2469 of 10003
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Annabel was 60th %tile for both weight and height at her 4-year-old check-up. Which makes sense for the child of a 5'7" mother and a 6'0" father--odds are she'll be medium-tall. To me she looks incredibly long and lean, but I think that's just a "Where did my baby go and who is this CHILD?" reaction. We've never had any issues from the pede about her height and weight, but, then again, I never had much of a milk supply, so she was formula-supplemented from one week and formula-fed from two months. Not how I wanted it to work out, but you can only do what you can, you know?


msbelle - Jun 11, 2008 8:45:44 am PDT #2470 of 10003
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

so happy mac has an international dr. who does not look askance at his skinny skinny limbs. And the US charts for % are so f'd up fo rhis school - about half the kids are from Mexico or S. Amer with short parents and the other half are a mix of Asain and Middle Eastern. The Turkish kid and the Tibetian kid not same body type.


Typo Boy - Jun 11, 2008 8:46:05 am PDT #2471 of 10003
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

>If you are not watching sodium you add more soy sauce.

Or you can use the lower-sodium soy sauce, which is just as tasty. IMNSHO.

I've always suspected the lower-sodium soy sauce of being the the higher sodium soy sauce with added water...


Nutty - Jun 11, 2008 8:47:40 am PDT #2472 of 10003
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

my fourth case of tonsillitis that winter, the doctor told me that there was nothing wrong with my throat and that my only problem was that I needed to lose 60 pounds.

Because clearly, your butt goes and sends little invader germs to attack your throat! To make it too painful to eat! Or something.

I have discovered of myself that I can look skeletally ill within the range of BMI normal for my height. That wasn't even borderline; it was I think smack in the middle of the normal range, and I was like, Hello! Ribcage = xylophone! That shit ain't right!


Hil R. - Jun 11, 2008 8:51:56 am PDT #2473 of 10003
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Talking to doctors about my cholesterol is always fun. "I'm vegetarian. I don't eat eggs. I don't eat much cheese. When I do drink milk, it's skim. You're going to tell me my cholesterol is 275 because of my diet? Really?" Usually, at that point, they'll try to convince me to eat fish.


juliana - Jun 11, 2008 8:53:10 am PDT #2474 of 10003
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I have discovered of myself that I can look skeletally ill within the range of BMI normal for my height. That wasn't even borderline; it was I think smack in the middle of the normal range, and I was like, Hello! Ribcage = xylophone! That shit ain't right!

Me too! I'm within .5 of being in the "overweight" category, and I'm maybe 2 pounds off of my proper weight. If I lost 10 pounds, which still puts me in the upper range of the BMI, I would look nigh unto death. Pfeh.


flea - Jun 11, 2008 8:56:58 am PDT #2475 of 10003
information libertarian

I think I've told this story before, but I really enjoy the vast range of human physicality. I was on the bus one summer and a tiny bird-boned Asian woman got on - maybe 5 foot, size 00 jeans, wrists like my hearty 4 year old's kind of person - and then two members of the women's basketball team, one white, one black, both easily 6'2 or 3, big and broad-shouldered and muscular and probably shopping for shoes at a specialty store kind of people, and yet all of us, humans in our natural form. So neat!


Kat - Jun 11, 2008 8:57:25 am PDT #2476 of 10003
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Um, is crawling around inside the cave sticking things in their mouths any safer? Or are we assuming that all cave-mommies were hard-core babywearers who never let the little ones out of their sight? (Now imagining a prehistoric Park Slope full of custom mamoth-print slings...)

I would assume that a cave would be safer because there would be less vegitative stuff. Lots of plants are not so good for the eating! There would be dirt and what not, but the rocks might be less potentially poisonous than plants might be?

Noah is on his own growth chart! I mean, he's not even ON the chart, which is sort of neat. They plot points and just look to see that he is growing in a sort of curve pattern with no big dips or leaps.

And he was supplemented, even his breastmilk was fortified with formula. But that's because his lungs used more energy to breath than the average baby.

And poor Gracie. Barely 13 lbs.

Also, yeah, what Jess said about breastfed babies. Pediatricians are supposed to have separate growth charts for BF babies, but they very frequently don't. And then you get the happy fun MUST START SUPPLEMENTING NOW pressure. Ugh.

The WHO orgs charts are cool because they are based on world wwide breastfed statistics.

I was talking to my friend Darlene who has has 14 month old. SShe said her kid was in the 15th percentile. And I was like, "Darlene, I'm 5'1" and taller than you are! And I outweigh you by 50 lbs. Of course your kidlet is smaller."

The percentiles are an average of babies. It's not like if you are in the 95% that you have a better baby. Just a bigger one.

Point taken. However, would it be a news item with nutritionists, doctors, etc., weighing in on the mother's failure as a mother?

A news item? probably not. But you do have doctors and nutritionists who weigh in on all the time with the failure to thrive thing.