It's possible that he's in the land of perpetual Wednesday, or the crazy melty land, or you know, the world without shrimp.

Anya ,'Showtime'


Spike's Bitches 41: Thrown together to stand against the forces of darkness  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


beekaytee - Jul 30, 2008 10:22:18 am PDT #9303 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

I have much more respect for someone who says "I fucked up,"

Just last week, a fellow at the genius bar at the Apple store told a friend of mine that they would replace her hard drive for free simply because she told the truth about dropping the laptop. "You wouldn't believe the things people say."


Atropa - Jul 30, 2008 10:24:48 am PDT #9304 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I have much more respect for someone who says "I fucked up,"

nods

Yes. Don't give me reasons and justifications, just admit your mistakes and then show me by your actions that you will try to avoid similar ones in the future.


beekaytee - Jul 30, 2008 10:25:28 am PDT #9305 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

I mean, I don't see the causality.

Right. I don't see a causality, or even a prevalence of nobility in any particular strata. Poor sentence structure on my part seemed to imply a connection between military and helping professions. I meant that more as a grasping list vs a connection.

eta: I should say, my real question is, "Have humans ever actually been noble/moral as a whole?" Or, have heroic behaviors, moral etc. only been anomalous or outside the interest of 'normal' people?


SuziQ - Jul 30, 2008 10:30:40 am PDT #9306 of 10001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

I have much more respect for someone who says "I fucked up,"

I keep trying to tell my son this (with more age appropriate language). Unfortunately CJ has a big issue with not telling the truth, to the point where I am never quite sure if I should belive him or not, which kills me. I keep trying to tell him he will get in 10 times more trouble for telling a lie than whatever the original issue was. As a parent, I keep wondering what I did wrong that I have a kid I struggle to trust.


Connie Neil - Jul 30, 2008 10:34:17 am PDT #9307 of 10001
brillig

re: cheating--I think some people get too attached to a sort of collaborative approach to work and figure "Well, he'd have helped if I asked, so why bother asking?" Some people simply have no grasp of doing the work yourself and letting it stand on its own merits, when they can get help. Plus, if you're too good at something, no one will believe you didn't have help, so there are few intrinsic rewards for not cheating. Self-satisfaction only goes so far.


SailAweigh - Jul 30, 2008 10:39:55 am PDT #9308 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Suzi, don't give up or beat yourself up over this. Every kid has to learn this at their own pace. My daughter finally twigged about 12, my nephew only twigged within the last few years and he's 24. Just be consistent, which is what it sounds like your doing.


Connie Neil - Jul 30, 2008 10:41:27 am PDT #9309 of 10001
brillig

And speaking of ethics and Rove . . .

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House votes to cite Rove for contempt


Burrell - Jul 30, 2008 10:51:16 am PDT #9310 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Suzi, I don't know how old your son is, but can you explain to CJ that his lying creates a new situation, one in which you can't trust his words, and that he should want to have a parent who trusts and believes him when he says a thing? Maybe point out that he'll have an easier time as a teenager if you generally trust him than if you generally don't? He's old enough to have an interest in what happens when he's a teen, isn't he?


megan walker - Jul 30, 2008 10:53:02 am PDT #9311 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I just bid on ebay on an $125 book for one of my classes. Current bid is $5.99. Here's to hoping it doesn't go much higher!

Does it contain her actual ashes or something, why so expensive?


SuziQ - Jul 30, 2008 11:02:53 am PDT #9312 of 10001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Suzi, I don't know how old your son is, but can you explain to CJ that his lying creates a new situation, one in which you can't trust his words, and that he should want to have a parent who trusts and believes him when he says a thing?

He just turned 12. And yes, we have covered that ground over and over again. He is finally hitting an age where he is asking why K-Bug got to do certain things at his age that we won't let him do. The response is usually that we were able to trust her and she showed us she was responsible. We need to see the same from him if he wants half a hope of doing any the stuff she got to do.