Xander: Am I right, Giles? Giles: I'm almost certain you're not. Though, to be fair, I haven't been listening.

'Sleeper'


The Great Write Way, Act Three: Where's the gun?

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


erikaj - Mar 31, 2016 7:22:26 pm PDT #6428 of 6685
Always Anti-fascist!

Can a story still be noir if my character turns herself in?


Typo Boy - Mar 31, 2016 8:02:07 pm PDT #6429 of 6685
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I would say very much yes. Especially if it is internally driven - i.e. not save someone else but because she can't live with what she has done.


Toddson - Apr 07, 2016 9:39:45 am PDT #6430 of 6685
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Or if someone even more evil forced her into it.


erikaj - Apr 09, 2016 3:52:35 pm PDT #6431 of 6685
Always Anti-fascist!

It's some of both, I think.Would love to get past stories that are "fine," but I know it wasn't that long ago, I may have used a different "F". Still, nobody goes out of their way to publish and reward "fine,"


Typo Boy - Apr 09, 2016 8:37:42 pm PDT #6432 of 6685
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Nothing in that which can't be *great* Noir, depending upon the story as a whole.


erikaj - Apr 10, 2016 2:35:39 pm PDT #6433 of 6685
Always Anti-fascist!

I'm proud of it, but, at the same time, there are so fewer markets now that I really need something unique, but apparently not the whole wheelchair thing(I've got one place that really wants that, but they pay diddley and squat, and I know the editor so that's like, I don't know, another friend doing me a favor...which is nice, but even I don't have time to befriend every magazine editor in America, and it also makes me feel that the work doesn't stand on its own. Which I know other writers do worry about, but other writers? Haven't gotten as much done for them by people trying to be nice, make them feel included, etc.


Typo Boy - Apr 10, 2016 2:55:00 pm PDT #6434 of 6685
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Many writers, especially those coming from fandom, get started by having their stuff looked at by people they know. If you get something published by a friend, and you don't have an alternative market do it. That can help the next thing you write get looked at by someone who isn't a friend. Editors don't have time to look at everything. You already had something published in EQ, and some stuff other places. The more you can be published, the more you can include in a query letter, to get your stuff directly to editors bypassing slush pile. I mean I have not been able to pull it off myself, but this is something every book on "how to be an author" says: the more you are published the more you can get published.


Typo Boy - Apr 10, 2016 2:58:10 pm PDT #6435 of 6685
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I'm pretty sure HP Lovecraft was first published by people he knew. A lot of the writers from the 50s and early sixties got published through friends. Harlan Ellison got a lot of help breaking through from Dorthy Parker, for example. So having a friend who is editor at a small mag give you a break is small potatoes by comparison.


Typo Boy - Apr 10, 2016 4:48:28 pm PDT #6436 of 6685
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Last point: doubt he uses your stuff cause he knows you. He *looks* at your stuff because he knows you. He will use your stuff only if he thinks it is good. If his pub pays writers bubkis, that means editors get paid at least starvation wages. Which he ain't going to risk by publishing anything less than the best he can get.


erikaj - Apr 10, 2016 7:54:59 pm PDT #6437 of 6685
Always Anti-fascist!

Thanks...I'll probably not send this one there as we have another project coming up shortly...however, you're right that a connection does not equal a pity fuck.(And I still do want to expand my range, but being weird about it won't help anyone.)